Chemistry Orbits Representations Needed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the need for visual representations of atomic orbitals in chemistry, particularly for someone who has lost their textbook. Participants share resources and express their experiences with learning about orbitals, including mathematical aspects and software tools for plotting them.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests links to representations of atomic orbitals after losing their chemistry textbook.
  • Another participant provides a link to the "orbitron" as a resource for visualizing atomic orbitals.
  • Some participants discuss the mathematical background necessary for understanding and plotting orbitals, mentioning that calculus is involved and that plotting in polar coordinates is useful.
  • There is a light-hearted exchange about the implications of losing a textbook and the need to revisit earlier chemistry concepts.
  • Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the mathematics required for understanding orbitals, with some indicating that they have attended seminars on quantum mechanics related to this topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the usefulness of the provided link for visualizing orbitals, but there is no consensus on the best methods for learning or representing them mathematically. The discussion reflects a mix of experiences and knowledge levels regarding the mathematical aspects of orbitals.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the need for a solid understanding of mathematics to effectively draw or visualize orbitals, but the specifics of what constitutes sufficient knowledge remain unclear. There is also a mention of the participant's transition from Chem1 to Chem2, indicating a gap in knowledge that may affect their understanding of the topic.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students transitioning between chemistry courses, those seeking resources for visualizing atomic orbitals, and individuals interested in the mathematical foundations of quantum mechanics related to chemistry.

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I've lost my Chemistry text :eek: and was wondering if anyone knew of any links that showed representations of what orbits may look like? In our halls I've seen wood models of 1p, 2p... but the text had MANY more and I can't remember the name even.
 
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Thanks Gokul. Maybe now I can actually learn them and what their designations are.

Edit: Of course, if I knew what I was doing, I would have asked this in the chemistry forum. (pounds head on desk) I love/hate chemistry!
 
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Too bad you (probably) don't know the maths.Else,i'm sure you would have found a method to draw them by hand,or using a comp.software.I've had a seminar in QM on pure & hybrid orbitals following the treatment in Cohen-Tannoudji,Diu & Laloë.It was interesting,making those plots.

You lost the book,shame about the money,it looks like your butt will meet the library's chairs :wink:

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
Too bad you (probably) don't know the maths.Else,i'm sure you would have found a method to draw them by hand,or using a comp.software.I've had a seminar in QM on pure & hybrid orbitals following the treatment in Cohen-Tannoudji,Diu & Laloë.It was interesting,making those plots.

You lost the book,shame about the money,it looks like your butt will meet the library's chairs :wink:

Daniel.

When did you learn the math for the orbitron dex?
 
There's not too much math.Calculus and that's it.And knowing how to plot a function in polar coordinates.

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
There's not too much math.Calculus and that's it.And knowing how to plot a function in polar coordinates.

Daniel.

But *when* :wink:

(sorry for these consistent questions)
 
dextercioby said:
You lost the book,shame about the money,it looks like your butt will meet the library's chairs :wink: Daniel.
Not to much to worry on. It was a Chem1 text and I'm just trying to get situated for Chem2. Chem1 was a few years ago and I've forgotten most of it. I'll need to re-learn almost everything.
 

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