How do I solve for theta in this friction-less pulley problem?

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The problem involves a block on an incline held by a weight over a frictionless pulley, with the goal of finding the angle theta at which the block slides down at constant speed. The context includes forces acting on the block and the hanging weight, as well as the coefficient of friction.

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  • Participants discuss the need to balance forces along the incline and suggest drawing free body diagrams. There are mentions of using trigonometric identities and the quadratic formula to derive an equation involving sin(theta) and cos(theta). Some participants express confusion about how to derive the forces acting on the block and the relationship between friction and the forces involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing various insights and approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the setup of equations and the use of diagrams, but there remains a lack of consensus on how to proceed, particularly regarding the derivation of the forces and the application of the quadratic formula.

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Participants note difficulties in understanding the components of forces acting on the block, particularly the force parallel to the incline and the role of friction. There is also mention of the problem being an extra credit assignment, which may add to the pressure and complexity of the discussion.

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A block weighing 130. N is on an incline. It is held back by a weight of 45.0 N hanging from a cord that passes over a frictionless pulley and is attached to the block on the incline. Find the angle theta at which the block will slide down the plane at constant speed. coefficient of friction is equal to 0.620


My physics teacher gave me that problem thursday and I still haven't had any luck figuring it out. He said that I would have to use the quadratic formula and a trigonometric identity to figure it out. Any help would be appreciated
 
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You need to find where the forces parallel to the incline balance out, which is where the blocks do not accelerate. The best way for you to find the solution is to draw a free body diagram. Since you are solving for the case where the acceleration is 0, you know that the tension in the string is equal to the weight of the hanging block (45 N). So to balance the forces along the incline, you account for the parallel component of the weight, the friction, and the tension.

You'll end up with an equation with a constant term, a term proportional to sinθ, and a term prportional to cosθ. I suppose there are a number of ways to solve this. For one, you can change variables to say x = sinθ, which would make cosθ=√(1-x^2). You can rearrange the equation and square both sides to get a quadratic equation in x. Solve for x, then use arcsin to solve for θ
 
Here is a diagram and the info given. I keep running into dead ends :(

http://www.villagephotos.com/viewimage.asp?id_=5928717
 
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You know there is a force parallel to the incline and pointing upward of 45 N (the weight on a pully).

You know there is a force directly downward of 130 N (the block's weight).

The incline forms a right triangle in which the incline itself is the hypotenuse and the vertical is a leg. Use that to find the component of the block's weight parallel to the incline.

There is another right triangle in which the normal to the incline is the hypotenus and the vertical is a leg. Use that to find the Normal component of the blocks weight. The static friction force is that normal component times the coefficient of static friction.

You now have three forces: the component of the block's weight DOWN the incline, the 45 N force UP the incline, and the static friction force UP the incline. The block will just start to move when those add to 0.
 
Atleast this is an extra credit thing. I've looked at my diagram and both of your instructions and still have no idea where to get the force of the block parallel to the incline (Fn in the diagram if you looked)

I had a problem awhile back similar to this but I just can't remember how to start off. He said I will need to use the quadratic formula, and I'm not understanding how to get a quadratic equation out of cos(theta) and sin(theta). Also, the force of the block is throwing me off too. Wouldn't the Force of friction be a segment of the force parallel(45 N) to the incline?

I've been staring at this problem for awhile, but I just can't get my foot stuck in the door. No light bulbs are coming on.
 
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