How Does Quantum Gravity Connect Relativity and Quantum Mechanics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the purpose and implications of quantum gravity in connecting the principles of gravitation and relativity with quantum mechanics. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, experimental challenges, and the potential for a unified theory encompassing both domains.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the primary purpose of quantum gravity is to relate gravitation and relativity to quantum mechanics, seeking clarification on this point.
  • One participant notes that the search for quantum gravity is complex and asks what specific experimental results quantum gravity might address that current theories do not.
  • Another participant describes various quantum gravity programs aimed at quantizing gravity in a way that aligns with general relativity in the limit of low energy.
  • Concerns are raised about whether a successful theory of quantum gravity would contradict established theories and experimental results.
  • Some participants suggest that quantum gravity should incorporate the uncertainty principle and its connections to electromagnetism.
  • There is a belief expressed that a theory of quantum gravity is necessary to advance towards a unified theory of everything, particularly in understanding black holes and conditions shortly after the Big Bang.
  • One participant outlines the challenges of reconciling quantum mechanics, which is based on flat space-time, with general relativity's view of gravity as curvature in space-time.
  • Different approaches to integrating quantum mechanics with general relativity are mentioned, including modifying quantum mechanics for curved space-time and developing a gravity theory in flat space-time.
  • Renormalization is highlighted as a significant challenge in combining quantum mechanics and general relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the purpose and implications of quantum gravity, with no consensus reached on specific questions or the overall direction of the theory.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the theoretical nature of quantum gravity and the challenges in achieving a consistent framework that reconciles different aspects of physics, including the handling of renormalization.

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here is a fairly simple question... is the purpose of quantum gravity to relate gravitation/relativity to our understanding of quantum machanics as is? I am not entirely sure on this, could someone explain
 
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and yes i know it has only been theorized...
 
Heh, I think the purpose of the search for quantum gravity is not as easy a question as you suggest. I, too, would like to know what current experiment's result cannot be found in current theory that quantum gravity will solve. Maybe someone will answer both our questions.
 
professor said:
here is a fairly simple question... is the purpose of quantum gravity to relate gravitation/relativity to our understanding of quantum machanics as is? I am not entirely sure on this, could someone explain


The various quantum gravity programs are aimed at a consistent method of quantizing gravity that reduces to general relativity in the h -> 0 limit. Techniques of quantization used are the ones that have been developed for other quantum theories, especially quantum field theory.

Whether this quantization, if it is achieved will support "quantum mechanics as it is", by which I suppose you mean the Standard Model of particle physics, will be a matter of experiment. A theory of quantum gravity that wound up flatly denying what theory and experiment have shown us would be regarded as a failure.
 
alright thanks that gives me somehing to consider ...if anyone feels they have something elste to add on the subject, let me know
 
From what I view gravity, quantum gravity should include the uncertianty principle and it's relations to electromagnetism.
 
Because the Standard Model doesn't include gravity and has dynamic parameters, a theory of quantum gravity is definitely needed. I believe it would bring us one step (actually many steps!) closer to a more "complete" unified theory of everything. We need a theory of quantum gravity to study the components of black holes and also for physics right after the Big Bang.
 
professor said:
here is a fairly simple question... is the purpose of quantum gravity to relate gravitation/relativity to our understanding of quantum machanics as is? I am not entirely sure on this, could someone explain

The purpose of quantum gravity is to create a unified and consistent theory that reconciles quantum mechanics with general relativity, i.e., explains all the phenomena of both theories, and perhaps to predict new phenomena.

The most obvious obstacle is that quantum mechanics has been developed on a background of Newtonian space and time, i.e., flat space-time without curvature, while general relativity views gravitation not as a force, but as curvature of space-time induced by mass. One approach that has been taken is to modify quantum mechanics to work with curved space-time. An alternative approach is to construct a theory of gravity largely equivalent to GR but in flat space-time and then to integrate the two theories. Both approaches have been used by eminent physicists. I believe, but am not sure, that a more serious problem is how to handle renormalization in the combined theories. (In quantum field theory, many divergent series arise, whose values are computed using a variety of rules of thumb for ordering terms. This "dippy" process, as Feynman called it, is "renormalization".)
 
perfect...exaxtly what i was looking for
 

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