Magnus force and boundary layer equations

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The discussion revolves around the Magnus force affecting rotating cylinders and spheres moving through air, with participants seeking a derivation or proof of the formula associated with this force. Additionally, there is an interest in solving boundary layer equations numerically.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants express a desire for a derivation of the Magnus force formula and seek clarification on its components. There are inquiries about the relevance of the radius in the derivation and the differences between the effects on spheres versus cylinders. Some participants share resources and ask for simpler explanations of complex derivations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing resources and expressing confusion about certain aspects of the derivation. There is no explicit consensus yet, but the sharing of links and requests for clarification indicate a collaborative effort to understand the topic better.

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Participants mention difficulties in understanding advanced physics concepts and express a need for layman's terms explanations. There is an acknowledgment of varying levels of familiarity with the subject matter among participants.

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First of all I am trying to find a "derivation??" for the Magnus force that affects rotating cylinders and spheres passing moving through air.

By derivation, if it is not correct, I mean a proof, something showing how the function was created.

I have found the magnus force quite easily by searching through the web and it seems to be:

fm=S(v)ω^v

As I said I need some kind of equations leading to this formula.


Also I am wondering if anyone here is familiar with solving boundary layer equations (numerically) as I have a need for doing that but am unable to.

I understand my language is not perfect and I urge you to ask if there is something that is not fully understandable.
 
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Ok I hope someone has atleast wanted to help with this problem :)
I found this pdf which contain a derivation of the classical magnus force but I am having a hard time understanding it, if someone familiar with advanced physics could give me layman's term rundown I'd be immensly grateful :D
 
FredGarvin said:
Perhaps this link which states a derivation and some sources may be of help:

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/jun99/928944018.Ph.r.html
I will go through it this evening but I am just wondering if the two derivations are the same?


How come radius isn't important?

And what's the difference if it's a sphere or a cylinder?
 
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