What Are the Limits of Integration for a Double Integral in a Triangular Region?

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The discussion centers around determining the limits of integration for a double integral over a triangular region defined by the vertices (0,0), (1,2), and (0,3). Participants are exploring how to set up the integral correctly based on the geometry of the region.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the correct limits for the double integral, with some suggesting ranges for x and y based on the triangle's vertices. There are attempts to derive the equations of the lines forming the triangle's boundaries, and questions about the setup of the integrals are raised.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations of the limits being explored. Some participants have provided insights into the geometric relationships within the triangular region, while others are questioning the accuracy of the proposed limits and seeking clarification.

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There is some confusion regarding the correct limits for x and y, with one participant noting a potential typo in the limits of integration. The discussion reflects a need for careful consideration of the triangular region's boundaries and how they affect the setup of the integral.

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Double integral of y^3, where D is the triangular region with vertices (0,0), (1,2), and (0,3). I can't figure out what the limits are.

D={(x,y)|0<=x<=3...is this even half way right?
 
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e. g. {0<x<1, 2x<y<-x+3}
 
Just add [tex]y^3[/tex] into the double integral and evaluate it. Keep in mind for simple structures like a triangle you can verify that your answer is correct simply but using trigonometric formulas for area.

In this case area of a triangle is= [tex]\frac{(b*h)}{2}=\frac{3*1}{2}[/tex]
 
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Tony11235 said:
Double integral of y^3, where D is the triangular region with vertices (0,0), (1,2), and (0,3). I can't figure out what the limits are.

D={(x,y)|0<=x<=3...is this even half way right?

No, because the "3" in (0, 3) is a y-value not x. The first thing you should do is draw a picture- like cronxeh did. One side of the triangle is the line x= 0 (from (0,0) to (0,3)). It should be easy to see that the line from (0,0) to (1,2) is y= 2x (A line through (0,0) is always of the form y= mx and m= 2 makes y= 2(1)= 2. If you don't see that you can still calculate that the slope is [tex]\frac{2-0}{1-0}= 2[/tex]. )
For the line from (0,3) to (1,2), you can argue that the equation of a line is always of the form y- y0= m(x- x0). [tex]m= \frac{2-3}{1-0}= -1[/tex]. Taking (x0,y0) to be (0, 3), that gives
y- 3= 1(x-0) or y= x+ 3. If you take (x0,y0) to be (1, 2) instead, you get y- 2= 1(x- 1) which reduces to y= x+ 3 also.

Now, since x can range from 0 to 2, the "outer integral" will be [tex]\int_0^3 dx[/tex]. For every x, y ranges from the lower of the two lines (the one from (0,0) to (1,2)), which is y= 2x, to the higher (the one from (0,3) to (1,2)), which is y= -x+ 3 or, if you prefer, y= 3- x. The "inner integral" will be [tex]\int_{y= 2x}^{3-x} dy[/tex].

Since the integrand is y3, the integral is
[tex]\int_{x=0}^2\int_{y= 2x}^{3-x} y^3 dy dx[/tex].
 
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You could, by the way, do this "the other way around" (I wouldn't recommend it here- it's much more complicated. My point is to show how you can get the limits of integration.)

Overall, y ranges from 0 to 3. If we choose to use the y integral as the "outer integral", the limits would be from 0 to 3. For each y, the left sides is always x= 0 and so the lower limit for the "inner integral" is x= 0. However, there are two different lines that make up the right side: y= 2x and y= 3-x or, since we are using x as the variable for the inner integral and the limits of the inner integral cannot depend on x, x= (1/2)y and x= 3- y. Which of those we use as the upper depends on what y is. If y< 2, the right side is x= (1/2)y and if y> 2, the right side is x= 3- y. The simplest thing to do is to do that as two separate integrals and add them:
[tex]\int_{y=0}^2\int_{x=0}^{\frac{y}{2}}y^3 dxdy+ \int_{y=2}^3\int_{x=0}^{3-y}y^3dxdy[/tex].
 
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Thanks. I really didn't think about it enough.
 
is there a #1 answer rating?
 
Why does x range from 0 to 2 and why does this give the outer integral from 0 to 3?
 
Rubik said:
Why does x range from 0 to 2 and why does this give the outer integral from 0 to 3?
No doubt, that was a typo (In post #4).

The limits of integration for x should be from 0 to 1.
 

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