Volume Problem (Can someone check my work?)

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The problem involves finding the volume of a solid defined by the intersection of a sphere and a cone, specifically the region within the sphere \(x^2+y^2+z^2=4\), above the x-y plane, and below the cone \(z=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}\). The original poster attempts to set up the volume calculation using polar coordinates and expresses interest in alternative methods.

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  • Participants discuss setting up the volume integral in polar coordinates and explore the possibility of using a single double integral instead of two separate ones. There is also mention of using spherical coordinates for the calculation.

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Some participants provide guidance on the setup of the integrals and question the correctness of the original poster's calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods, with participants comparing results and expressing uncertainty about discrepancies in their findings.

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"Find the volume of the solid that lies within the sphere [tex]x^2+y^2+z^2=4[/tex], above the x-y plane, and below the cone [tex]z=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}[/tex]."

I set this up in polar coordinates as follows:

[tex]V=\int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}r^2drd\theta+\int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_{\sqrt{2}}^{2}r\sqrt{4-r^2}drd\theta[/tex]

and then solved it coming up with [tex]V=\frac{8\pi\sqrt{2}}{3}[/tex].

Is this the correct way to set this up? Also, is there a way I could do this with one double integral rather than adding two of them together?

Thanks for your help.
 
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I think that will work but the way I would analyze it is this: On the sphere, [itex]z= \sqrt{4- x^2-y^2}= \sqrt{4- r^2}[/itex]. On the cone, [itex]z= \sqrt{x^2+ y^2}= r[/itex]. So the "height" at each point is [itex]\sqrt{4- r^2}- r[/itex]. You want to integrate that, times [itex]dA= rdrd\theta[/itex], over the disk inside the intersection of the two figures projected down to the xy-plane.
The sphere and cone intersect when [itex]\sqrt{4- r^2}= r[/itex] or [itex]4- r^2= r^2[/tex] so r<sup>2</sup>= 2 or [itex]r= \sqrt{2}[/itex] just as you have.<br /> <br /> The volume is [tex]\int_{\theta= 0}^{2\pi}\int_{r=0}^{\sqrt{2}}\left(\sqrt{4- r^2}- r\right)rdrd\theta[/tex][/itex][tex].<br /> <br /> <br /> Personally, I would put it in spherical coordinates and do it as a single triple integral:<br /> [itex]\theta[/itex] goes from 0 to [itex]2\pi[/itex], [itex]\phi[/itex] goes from 0 (vertical) to [itex]\frac{\pi}{4}[/itex] (the cone) and [itex]\rho[/itex] goes from 0 to 2 (the sphere). Integrate [itex]dV= \rho sin(\phi)d\theta d\phi d\rho[/itex] over that.[/tex]
 
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Ok that makes sense. Thanks for your help HallsofIvy :smile:
 
Ivy, I computed your approach as well and I don't find the same as your first solution, and they're both different from apmcavoy's answer.

I get:

[tex]\int_{\theta= 0}^{2\pi}\int_{r=0}^{\sqrt{2}}\left(\sqrt{4- r^2}- r\right)rdrd\theta = \frac{-8\,\left( -2 + {\sqrt{2}} \right) \,\pi }{3}[/tex]

While:

[tex]\int\limits_0^{2} {\int\limits_0^{{\raise0.5ex\hbox{$\scriptstyle \pi $}<br /> \kern-0.1em/\kern-0.15em<br /> \lower0.25ex\hbox{$\scriptstyle 4$}}} {\int\limits_0^{2 \pi} {\rho \sin \left( \phi \right)} } } d\theta d\phi d\rho = -2\,\left( -2 + {\sqrt{2}} \right) \,\pi[/tex]

Any idea what's wrong?
 
TD said:
Ivy, I computed your approach as well and I don't find the same as your first solution, and they're both different from apmcavoy's answer.

I get:

[tex]\int_{\theta= 0}^{2\pi}\int_{r=0}^{\sqrt{2}}\left(\sqrt{4- r^2}- r\right)rdrd\theta = \frac{-8\,\left( -2 + {\sqrt{2}} \right) \,\pi }{3}[/tex]

While:

[tex]\int\limits_0^{2} {\int\limits_0^{{\raise0.5ex\hbox{$\scriptstyle \pi $}<br /> \kern-0.1em/\kern-0.15em<br /> \lower0.25ex\hbox{$\scriptstyle 4$}}} {\int\limits_0^{2 \pi} {\rho \sin \left( \phi \right)} } } d\theta d\phi d\rho = -2\,\left( -2 + {\sqrt{2}} \right) \,\pi[/tex]

Any idea what's wrong?

I may be wrong, but doesn't [tex]\int_{\theta= 0}^{2\pi}\int_{r=0}^{\sqrt{2}}\left(\sqrt{4- r^2}- r\right)rdrd\theta[/tex] represent the volume above the cone and within the sphere?
 
TD said:
Ivy, I computed your approach as well and I don't find the same as your first solution, and they're both different from apmcavoy's answer.
I get:
[tex]\int_{\theta= 0}^{2\pi}\int_{r=0}^{\sqrt{2}}\left(\sqrt{4- r^2}- r\right)rdrd\theta = \frac{-8\,\left( -2 + {\sqrt{2}} \right) \,\pi }{3}[/tex]
While:
[tex]\int\limits_0^{2} {\int\limits_0^{{\raise0.5ex\hbox{$\scriptstyle \pi $}<br /> \kern-0.1em/\kern-0.15em<br /> \lower0.25ex\hbox{$\scriptstyle 4$}}} {\int\limits_0^{2 \pi} {\rho \sin \left( \phi \right)} } } d\theta d\phi d\rho = -2\,\left( -2 + {\sqrt{2}} \right) \,\pi[/tex]
Any idea what's wrong?

try changing from psin to p^2sin. :)
 

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