When is work positive or negative when sawing a tree with a handsaw?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of work in physics, specifically in the context of using a handsaw to cut a tree. Participants are exploring when work is considered positive or negative during the sawing process, focusing on the relationship between force and displacement.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are examining the conditions under which work is classified as positive or negative, with some suggesting that work is positive in both pushing and pulling actions. Others are analyzing the mathematical expression for work and discussing the implications of force direction relative to displacement.

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The conversation includes various interpretations of work done by the user versus work done against the tree. Some participants have provided insights into the scalar nature of work and the conditions for positive and negative work, but there is no explicit consensus on the definitions being applied.

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There is an ongoing examination of the definitions of work and the assumptions about force direction and displacement. Participants are also considering the implications of energy transfer in the context of the sawing action.

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lets say you have a handsaw and you a sawing a tree by pushing the saw away from you and pulling it toward you. you are doing work when you push and when you pull the saw but when is the work positive or negative. or is the work positive during both the pushing and pulling
 
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Its positive both ways, since you are losing energy both times.
 
The easy way to know if you ae doing poitive or negative work is to look for solving the expression W=F.s , in the above case , since you apply force forwards and the saw displaces forward , so the dot product will be poitive sice cos0=1 , and same is the case when you pull the saw towards yourself.

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Work is a scalar quantity. Here is + and - sign gives whether the work is done by that force or done against the force i.e. whether the energy is supplied by the system applying force of the energy is supplied to the system

In your example the work done by you is positive in both cases but work done by the force applied by the tree on the saw is negative.
 
Work done by a force

Raikou Tatsu, The force in we are talking about is the one that you are exerting on the saw when you are pushing it away from you , Ff, and pulling it towards you, Fb. In both cases the displacement of the saw is in the same direction as the applied force. Therefore the work done is positive in both case - see the attached drawing.
 

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To remember if it's + or -,
+ when the force and the displacement are in the same direction.
- when the force and the displace are in opposite direction.
Sor your answer must +
 

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