Why do molecules have rotational Raman spectra?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the reasons why molecules exhibit rotational Raman spectra, particularly focusing on the role of polarizability and its anisotropy in this phenomenon. Participants explore theoretical aspects of Raman spectroscopy, including the relationship between molecular rotation and polarizability changes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes understanding the origin of vibrational Raman spectra but seeks clarification on the rotational aspect, referencing a textbook that discusses polarizability as a tensor.
  • Another participant suggests that for a molecule to be rotationally Raman active, the polarizability must be anisotropic, indicating that it varies in different directions, which leads to the use of a tensor description.
  • A follow-up question challenges the necessity of anisotropic polarizability for Raman activity, seeking deeper insight into this requirement.
  • It is argued that if polarizability is not anisotropic, it will not change with molecular rotation, which is essential for Raman activity, drawing a parallel to vibrational Raman where polarizability changes with vibration.
  • A further inquiry raises the possibility of quantum mechanical transitions occurring even with isotropic polarizability, questioning how anisotropy fits into the quantum mechanical framework of Raman scattering.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of anisotropic polarizability for rotational Raman activity, with some asserting its importance while others question this requirement. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of isotropic polarizability in quantum transitions.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts from quantum mechanics and molecular physics, indicating a reliance on specific definitions of polarizability and its behavior under rotation. There are unresolved aspects regarding the transition mechanisms in the context of isotropic versus anisotropic polarizability.

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Hi all,

i am studying the physics of Raman Spectra. Was able to understand the origin of Vibrational Raman Spectra... which was an effect due to the change of polarizability with internuclear distance due to molecular vibration. But, i still yet to figure out why rotation of molecules can result in Raman spectra too? I'm reading the book 'molecular physics and elements of quantum chemistry' by H. Haken. They mention something about the polarizability of the molecule as a tensor and that its their tensor anisotropy that contribute to this effect. But i was not able to appreciate in essence why this is so... Can someone pls direct me to better resource on this?

Thanks.
 
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rotational raman

An easier way to understand it might be to state that for a molecule to be rotationally Raman active, the polarizability perpendicular to the rotational axis should be anisotropic, or the polarizability should be different in different directions. This results in the polarizability being described by a tensor.

dgiznya
 
dgiznya said:
An easier way to understand it might be to state that for a molecule to be rotationally Raman active, the polarizability perpendicular to the rotational axis should be anisotropic, or the polarizability should be different in different directions. This results in the polarizability being described by a tensor.

dgiznya

This is exactly the point which i do not understand. Why must the polarizability be anisotropic for it to be Raman active?
 
rot raman

If the polarizability is not anisotropic the polarizability will not change as the molecule rotates and you need this changing polarizability for the molecule to be active.

This is similar to vibrational raman where the polarizability of the molecule must change as the molecule vibrates for it to be raman active.

dgiznya
 
dgiznya said:
If the polarizability is not anisotropic the polarizability will not change as the molecule rotates and you need this changing polarizability for the molecule to be active.

This is similar to vibrational raman where the polarizability of the molecule must change as the molecule vibrates for it to be raman active.

dgiznya

You mean you need this anisotropy to see the Raman shifted lines? These discrete lines are however QM effects, which is due to the transistion to an excited virtual state to a rotational state or ground state (depending if Stokes or anti-Stokes). How would one able to bring the anisotropic effect into this QM picture? It seems to me even if the polarizability is isotropic, these transitions can still take place... :confused:
 

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