Conceptual explanation of Dot Product

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conceptual explanation of the dot product in vector mathematics. Participants explore various ways to clarify its meaning, including definitions, properties, and visual representations.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the dot product is the projection of vector A onto vector B multiplied by the magnitude of B, but questions whether this explanation is correct.
  • Another participant corrects the first by stating that the dot product is a scalar, not a vector, and provides the definition involving the angle between two vectors.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the intrinsic properties of vectors, stating that the dot product helps find the angle between two vectors based on their lengths.
  • Another explanation focuses on the properties of the dot product, such as the product of a unit vector with itself being 1 and the product of orthogonal vectors being 0.
  • Some participants suggest using visual aids or examples to enhance understanding of the dot product.
  • One participant proposes an algebraic approach starting from the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality to define the angle between two vectors in higher dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to explain the dot product conceptually, with no consensus on a single explanation. Some prefer definitions and properties, while others advocate for visual or algebraic approaches.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the clarity and correctness of various explanations, as well as the dependence on different perspectives and learning styles.

M.Hamilton
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I'm a peer leader for a general physics lab and someone asked me to explain what the Dot Product meant conceptually.

I told him it was the projection of A onto B multiplied by the magnitude of B.

He looked even more confused after that; my questions are:

a) Did I explain it correctly?
b) Is there a better way to explain it?


Merle
 
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According to you the dot product is a vector, when it is in fact a scalar.

personally i don't go in for 'conceptual' explanations preferring to state its definition and uses, and you can pick anyone that suits you.

given two vectors a and b, a.b is the quantity |a||b|cos(t) where t is the angle from a to b in an anticlockwise sense.

roughly it measures the angle between two vectors then, that is a.b/|a||b| is the angle between them.

if b is a unit vector then it is the length of the component of a lying in the direction of b.
 
If you want a hand-wavy "explanation" (I don't know what else a "conceptual" explanation is) you could start with that:
a) The length of a vector is an intrinsic property of it, i.e, it does not depend upon the perspective or coordinate system you choose to use.
and
b) The angle between two vectors is an intrinsic property belonging to those two vectors, it does not depend upon the perspective or coordinate system you choose to use.

The dot product enables you to readily find the angle between two vectors once you know their individual lengths.

For vectors both of unit length, the dot product IS the cosine to the angle between them.
 
Another way to explain it is...

The dot product is simply the (continuous) function satisfying:

the product of a unit vector with itself to be 1.
the product of orthogonal vectors to be 0.
it's distributive.
 
It might help if you draw it out, and give an example. (but that's how I learn)
 
M.Hamilton said:
I'm a peer leader for a general physics lab and someone asked me to explain what the Dot Product meant conceptually.

I told him it was the projection of A onto B multiplied by the magnitude of B.

He looked even more confused after that; my questions are:

a) Did I explain it correctly?
b) Is there a better way to explain it?


Merle

Component. Not the projection.
 
paperwings said:
It might help if you draw it out, and give an example. (but that's how I learn)
Very good suggestion!
On the "elementary" level, few things are as educational as a good, visual representation!
 
You could explain it pure algebraically (this holds for higher dimensions):

Starting by the proof of the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality we have:
[tex]\left| {x \cdot y} \right| \leqslant \left\| x \right\|\left\| y \right\|[/tex]. This is of course the same as:
[tex]-\left\| x \right\|\left\| y \right\| \leqslant x \cdot y \leqslant \left\| x \right\|\left\| y \right\|[/tex]. Or:
[tex]-1 \leqslant \frac{x \cdot y}{\left\| x \right\|\left\| y \right\|} \leqslant 1[/tex], So that we know that [tex]\exists!\theta \in [0,\pi][/tex] so that
[tex]\frac{x \cdot y}{\left\| x \right\|\left\| y \right\|} = \cos\theta[/tex].

Only then we define [tex]\theta[/tex] to be the angle between the 2 vectors x and y in n-dimensional euclidean/unitarian space.
 

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