Quick linear equation question

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The discussion revolves around the solving of a mathematical equation involving fractions and the interpretation of its structure. Participants explore the steps taken to manipulate the equation and question the correctness of the initial approach, with a focus on whether the equation is linear and how to properly handle the operations involved.

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  • One participant presents an equation, \( \frac{3}{a} + 1 = \frac{4}{a} \), and seeks confirmation on their solution process.
  • Another participant argues that the equation is not linear and suggests it should be categorized differently.
  • Several participants express confusion over the manipulation of the equation, particularly regarding the order of operations and the steps taken to derive subsequent equations.
  • Some participants propose alternative interpretations of the equation, questioning whether it should be read as \( \frac{3}{a+1} = \frac{4}{a} \) instead.
  • One participant claims to have found the correct answer, while others challenge the validity of the initial assumptions and calculations.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the reduction of the equation but remains uncertain about the correctness of their understanding.
  • Multiple participants express fatigue and distraction, indicating that their ability to engage with the problem may be compromised.
  • One participant concludes that the two forms of the equation do not yield the same solutions, suggesting a fundamental misunderstanding in the initial setup.
  • Another participant presents their own solution method, arriving at a conclusion that differs from others, further complicating the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not agree on the correctness of the initial equation or the steps taken to solve it. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the equation and the validity of the proposed solutions.

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There are unresolved questions about the order of operations and the interpretation of the equation's structure, which may depend on how the fractions are understood. The discussion reflects varying levels of confidence and clarity among participants.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in basic algebraic manipulation, particularly those seeking to understand common pitfalls in solving equations involving fractions.

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Hey, its bin ages since i did any maths, and gotten a little rusty, am i doing this right when solving these equations?

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3/a+1 = 4/a

(multiply a+1) 3 = (4a + 4)/a

(multiply a) 3a = 4a + 4

(-4) 3a - 4 = 4a

(-3a) -4 = a


Is this right? or have i done this wrong? its looks easy to do (basics) but I've forgotton! Let me kno cheers!
 
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First that's not a linear equation!

It certainly doesn't belong in "Linear and Abstract Algebra". I'm going to move it to "general math".

The only comment I have on it is that I see no reason to subtract 4 from both sides (moving the 4 over to the right). It would be quicker and easier to subtract 3a from both sides.
 
You start off with
[tex]\frac {3} {a} + 1 = \frac {4} {a}[/tex] now I hope you didnt get your order of operations, and you actaully meant 3/(a+1). But assuming the oder is right, I don't get how you derived your second equation.
[tex]3 = \frac {4a + 4} {a}[/tex]
First of all, as far as I know, if you divide a on the left, you multuiply it by everything on the right. But you seem to only multiply it by the numerator. And why do you add 4 and not 1? I would have it look like this.
[tex]3 = \frac {4} {a} \cdot a - 1[/tex]

Correct me if I am wrong.
 
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eNathan said:
You start off with
[tex]\frac {1} {a} + 1 = \frac {4} {a}[/tex] now I hope you didnt get your order of operations, and you actaully meant 3/(a+1). But assuming the oder is right, I don't get how you derived your second equation.
[tex]3 = \frac {4a + 4} {a}[/tex]
First of all, as far as I know, if you divide a on the left, you multuiply it by everything on the right. But you seem to only multiply it by the numerator. And why do you add 4 and not 1? I would have it look like this.
[tex]3 = \frac {4} {a} \cdot a - 1[/tex]

Correct me if I am wrong.


think ur reading into this a bit too much, its a really basic question, and i have the right answer (i just found out)
 
I am reading into it too much? Ok, sure. But I just want to clarify (for my own purposes) if it is true that
[tex]\frac {3} {a} + 1 = \frac {4} {a}[/tex]
can be reduced to (erm, not reduced, I forgot the term)
[tex]3 = \frac {4a + 4} {a}[/tex]
This is correct?
 
Not sure, its 3am in Britain! I can barely concentrate on the clock, let alone do my math homework! i'll leave it in the capable hands of the smart people on this site, tho all looks good to me

Bed for me!
 
lol yea I know that feeling, being way past your usual bed-time, and somebody asks you to write a program or work out some math. :zzz: Its only 9 PM and I should goto bed already.
 
Solve (3/a)+1=4/a. I get a=1.
Solve 3=(4a+4)/a. I get a=-4.
Therefore one does not reduce to the other which means your initial assumption was probably wrong, i.e. the order is not right and the original equation was 3/(a+1)=4/a not (3/a)+1=4/a.
 
My turn...

3/a + 1 = 4/a

3/a - 4/a = -1

-1/a = -1

if: -1/a = -1 then: a = -1/-1 or a = 1
 

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