Understanding Toroidal Drift in Plasma Tokamaks

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The discussion focuses on the behavior of charged particles in plasma within a tokamak, specifically addressing the phenomenon of toroidal drift. Participants explore the forces at play in a non-homogeneous magnetic field and the necessity of a poloidal field to maintain plasma stability. The conversation includes questions about the underlying mechanisms causing the drift and the role of the Lorentz force.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes how charged particles in a non-homogeneous magnetic field experience toroidal drift, leading to instability in the plasma.
  • Another participant suggests that the Lorentz force is responsible for this drift, but questions its role due to the balance with centrifugal force.
  • A different participant raises doubts about the Lorentz force's involvement, proposing that the force causing cross drift must be directed away from the axis and questioning the absence of a named force in existing literature.
  • Some participants mention that the gradient of magnetic field intensity may contribute to the drift, but express uncertainty about why the drift occurs vertically rather than horizontally.
  • One participant notes that the magnetic field is a vector field, and the combination of toroidal and poloidal fields creates a spiral configuration, complicating the discussion.
  • Another participant highlights that plasma can exclude magnetic fields based on particle density and energy, suggesting additional complexity in the behavior of charged particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of the Lorentz force and the specific mechanisms causing toroidal drift. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing hypotheses presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various sources and concepts related to magnetic fields and plasma behavior, but there are limitations in the clarity of definitions and the identification of forces involved in the drift. The discussion also reflects uncertainties regarding the effects of magnetic field gradients.

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I've got an understanding problem. It's about the behaviour of charged particles in plasma inside of a tokamak.

It says that a particle in the non-homogeneous magnetic field (toroidal field), moving on the spiral trajectory all along the magnetic field lines, tends to drift downward (for ions) or upward (for electrons), together with the axis of the Larmor-spiral, which makes plasma highly unstable and damages the chamber walls. That's the reason why the second field (poloidal field) is necessary, which is provided by plasma current itself.

Which force is it, that causes the particles to drift (toroidal drift) downward/upward?
 
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symplectic_manifold said:
I've got an understanding problem. It's about the behaviour of charged particles in plasma inside of a tokamak.

It says that a particle in the homogeneous magnetic field (toroidal field), moving on the spiral trajectory all along the magnetic field lines, tends to drift downward (for ions) or upward (for electrons), together with the axis of the Larmor-spiral, which makes plasma highly unstable and damages the chamber walls. That's the reason why the second field (poloidal field) is necessary, which is provided by plasma current itself.

Which force is it, that causes the particles to drift (toroidal drift) downward/upward?

The Lorentz force

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marlon
 
Thanks Marlon for your reply.

I have my doubts though about the involvment of the Lorentz force in this drift.
The Lorentz force is directed towards the axis, which is the magnetic field line, when the particle spirals all around it. The centrifugal force balances the Lorentz force out, so that the particle remains on its spiral trajectory with constant cross-section radius.
The force that causes the cross drift must be directed away from the axis.

In the source I read they say that it's exactly the force which causes charged particles in a winding conductor drift away from the axis of cylindrical surface (if you imagine the conductor winds around this surface; a solenoid). But I couldn't find anything about this force when I read some info about solenoids. The source doesn't name this force either.

In another source it reads that this force comes around because of a gradient of magnetic field intensity in plasma, which seems plausible. But why do the particles move upward/downward and not for example to the right or to the left? There is a gradient in these directions too!...because the strenght of magnetic field in a toroid depends on/is antiproportional to its radius from the big axis. (I've just noticed a mistake above...and will correct it; it's all about non-homogeneous magnetic field.)
 
Remember that the magnetic field is a vector field, so the toroidal field and poloidal combine to form a spiral.

And Marlon is quite right about the Lorentz force, but it's not so nice and clean as a uniform field. It's a bit difficult to discuss without pictures.

The plasma also excludes the magnetic field as a function of the particle density and energy. Each particle (ion or electron) produces its own magnetic field in opposition to the imposed field.
 

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