Cation Solubility: Relationship with Element Position?

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The discussion explores the relationship between cation solubility and the position of elements in the periodic table, considering various factors that influence solubility, including anion type and ionic properties.

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  • One participant questions whether there is a relationship between cation solubility and the position of elements in the periodic table.
  • Another participant argues that aqueous solubility is not solely dependent on cation position, highlighting the role of anions, with examples of soluble and insoluble compounds of calcium.
  • It is noted that the solubility of cations can vary with their position in the periodic table, with specific examples of beryllium and magnesium hydroxides being insoluble compared to calcium hydroxide.
  • One participant suggests that hydrated radii of cations may correlate with trends in ionic strength and activity, proposing the use of the Debye-Hückel equation for further exploration.

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Participants express differing views on the factors influencing cation solubility, with some emphasizing the importance of anions and others suggesting a correlation with cation properties. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Participants mention specific examples and rules of solubility, but the discussion includes uncertainties regarding the applicability of these rules and the influence of various factors on solubility.

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I was wondering if their is a reltionship between cation solubility and the poistion of its element in the periodic table?
 
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Not that simple. Aqueous solubility depends on the anion as well.

For example, [tex]{\text{Ca}}\left( {{\text{NO}}_{\text{3}} } \right)_{\text{2}}[/tex] is (obviously) soluble, whereas both [tex]{\text{CaSO}}_{\text{4}}[/tex] and [tex]{\text{CaCO}}_{\text{3}}[/tex] are insoluble (dissolve in small and likely insignficant amounts in water). All nitrates are generally soluble and carbonates are generally insoluble.

There are cases where the cation position on the periodic table does matter. For example, both [tex]{\text{Be}}\left( {{\text{OH}}} \right)_2[/tex] and [tex]{\text{Mg}}\left( {{\text{OH}}} \right)_2[/tex] are considered insoluble, whereas [tex]{\text{Ca}}\left( {{\text{OH}}} \right)_2[/tex] and the heavier alkalines are soluble.

*Generally, what you observe is a longer ionic single bond length for heavier cations, which will take successively less energy to dissociate going down a group of the periodic table. (that said, I'm pretty sure that double-bonded MgO is insoluble).

For some of the rules of solubility, click http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/topicreview/bp/ch18/soluble.html#rules ! :smile:)
-Hope this helps
 
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I was wondering if their is a reltionship between cation solubility and the poistion of its element in the periodic table?

perhaps you're referring to the hydrated radii of a cation, I think that you may be able to correlate this with its trends in ionic strength, and then with the activity (perhaps with a plot of activity v.s. increasing formal concentration); if at suitable concentrations by using the debye huckel equation. There may be a better way, or even a standard method. You may want to researcht the d-b equation.
 
thanks for your replies
 

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