Derivative of an integral containing a Dirac delta

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The discussion revolves around the derivative of an integral involving the Dirac delta function, specifically examining the function g(x) defined by the integral of f(x) multiplied by the delta function. Participants explore the implications of differentiating such an integral and the properties of the Heaviside function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that g(x) = ∫ f(x) δ(x) dx is not a function of x, leading to the conclusion that its derivative is 0.
  • Another participant suggests that a more interesting case is g(x) = ∫ f(t) δ(t) dt, noting that for x < 0, g(x) = 0, and for x > 0, g(x) = f(0), but g(x) is not differentiable at 0.
  • A later reply introduces the Heaviside function, H(x), as an integral of the delta function and questions the definition of H(0) = 1/2, indicating a potential misunderstanding.
  • Another participant explains that the definition of H(0) = 1/2 is convenient when the left-hand and right-hand limits of f(x) are equal, but acknowledges that if they differ, the average is taken instead.
  • One participant emphasizes that while H(0) = 1/2 is convenient, it is ultimately irrelevant due to the discontinuity at 0 and the focus on integral properties in distributions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of g(x) and its derivative, with some asserting it is 0 while others explore the implications of differentiability and the properties of the Heaviside function. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best interpretation of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the continuity and differentiability of functions involved, as well as the definitions of the Heaviside function and its value at 0.

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If I had a function g(x) defined by

[tex]g(x) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(x) \delta(x) dx[/tex]

where [tex]\delta(x)[/tex] is the dirac delta function, what would dg(x)/dx be? The fundamental theorem of calculus requires that [tex]f(x) \delta(x)[/tex] needs to be a continuous and differentiable function before I can immediately say that dg(x)/dx = f(x) \delta(x), which is clearly not the case.
 
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[tex]g(x) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(x) \delta(x) dx[/tex]
is not a function of x! It's derivative is 0. In fact that's true of any definite integral of any integrable function! Perhaps a little more interesting would be:
What is the derivative of
[tex]g(x)= \int_{-\infty}^x f(t)\delta(t)dt[/tex]
but not a whole lot more! If x< 0, g(x)= 0 and the derivative is 0. If x> 0, g(x)= f(0) and the derivative is 0. However, g(x) is not differentiable at 0.

(In terms of 'distributions' or 'generalized functions', which is what [itex]\delta(x)[/itex] really is, that is differentiable at 0: the derivative of g(x) is [itex]\delta(x)f(x)[/itex].)
 
Hmm...

The Heaviside function,

[tex]H(x) = \int_{-\infty}^x \delta(t) \: dt[/tex]

shows what you mean, but how is it that many people define [tex]H(0) = 1/2[/tex]? I think I'm missing the point...
 
roast said:
Hmm...

The Heaviside function,

[tex]H(x) = \int_{-\infty}^x \delta(t) \: dt[/tex]

shows what you mean, but how is it that many people define [tex]H(0) = 1/2[/tex]? I think I'm missing the point...
That is because it is nice if
f(x-)=f(x)=f(x+)
but if
f(x+)!=f(x-)
the next best thing is if
f(x)=(f(x-)+f(x+))/2
 
The value H(0)= 1/2 is convenient but really irrelevant. H(0) is still distcontinuous at 0. Since the crucial point with distributions is their integral properties values at individual values of x are not important.
 

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