Velocity & Radius of Electron Beam in Magnetic Fields

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity and radius of an electron beam in the presence of magnetic and electric fields. The specific values given include an electric field of 8.8 x 10^3 V/m and a magnetic field of 3.5 x 10^9 T, with participants questioning the accuracy of these values and their implications on the calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between electric and magnetic fields in determining the velocity of electrons. There is a focus on the equations V = E/B and r = mv/qB, with some questioning the values used for the magnetic field and the resulting implications for the calculated velocity and radius.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the calculations, with some participants suggesting that the original poster's values may be incorrect. Guidance is offered regarding the need to clarify the magnetic field value and its impact on the results. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, particularly concerning the speed of the electron beam and the feasibility of the calculated values.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential discrepancies in the magnetic field value, with suggestions that it may be 3.5 x 10^-3 T instead of 3.5 x 10^9 T. This uncertainty affects the calculations and the reasonableness of the resulting velocity.

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Hi,

My Question:

What is the velocity of a beam of electrons taht go undeflected and magnetic fields of magnitude 8.8 x 10^3 V/m and 3.5 x 10^.9 T, respectively? what is the radius of the electron orbit if the electric field is turned off?

My Work:

V= E/B
V=(8.8 x 10^3 V/m)/(3.5 x 10^.9 T)
V=2.51 x 10^-6 m/s

and for the radius

r=mv/qB
r=(9.11 X 10^-31 kg)(2.51 x 10^-6 m/s)/(1.6 x 10^-19 coul)(3.5 x 10^-3 T)
r= .004m

Are these correct :confused:

Thank You :smile:
 
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jena said:
My Question:

What is the velocity of a beam of electrons taht go undeflected and magnetic fields of magnitude 8.8 x 10^3 V/m and 3.5 x 10^.9 T, respectively? what is the radius of the electron orbit if the electric field is turned off?

My Work:

V= E/B
V=(8.8 x 10^3 V/m)/(3.5 x 10^.9 T)
V=2.51 x 10^-6 m/s
If B = 3.5 x 10^9 T (not 10^.9), and there is an electric field of 8.8e3 V/m, both perpendicular to the direction of v, and to each other, your answer is correct, although that seems like a very slow electron beam (it is very strong magnetic field). I would check the given values again. (You are using 3.5 x 10^-3 T in the next part, which works out to v = 2.51 x 10^6 m/sec). You should show your reasoning as well: e.g.
For a straight line path, force = 0 so [itex]q\vec{v} \times \vec{B} = q\vec {E} => v =E/B[/itex]

and for the radius

r=mv/qB
r=(9.11 X 10^-31 kg)(2.51 x 10^-6 m/s)/(1.6 x 10^-19 coul)(3.5 x 10^-3 T)
r= .004m
Where do you get 3.5 x 10^-3 T?. Again, show your reasoning and you won't be confused:
Centripetal force is supplied by the Lorentz force:[itex]F_c = mv^2/r = qvB[/itex] so [itex]r = mv/qB[/itex].
AM
 
going right, (calculation part not seen.)
 
Hi,

I'm sorry for replying so late but I recalculated the answer for the question as asked by Andrew Mason

If B = 3.5 x 10^9 T (not 10^.9), and there is an electric field of 8.8e3 V/m, both perpendicular to the direction of v, and to each other, your answer is correct, although that seems like a very slow electron beam (it is very strong magnetic field). I would check the given values again.

and came up with 2.51 x 10^12 m/s, is this answer resonable.

Also for the second portion of the question:

What is the velocity of a beam of electrons taht go undeflected and magnetic fields of magnitude 8.8 x 10^3 V/m and 3.5 x 10^.9 T, respectively? what is the radius of the electron orbit if the electric field is turned off?

I can still use this equation

r=mv/qB

and come up with the right answer?

Thank You:smile:
 
jena said:
and came up with 2.51 x 10^12 m/s, is this answer resonable.
Unfortunately, this is faster than the speed of light i.e. it is not reasonable. You should provide us with the magnetic field value. I suspect it is 3.5 x 10^(-3) T. based on your answer in the second part. If that is the case, the speed should be 2.51 x10^6 m/sec which is a reasonable value.

r=mv/qB

and come up with the right answer?
Of course. But you have to use the correct value for v. If you substitute v = E/B,

[tex]r = mE/qB^2[/tex]

AM
 

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