Power Series For Function of Operators

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving a general power series for a function of non-commuting operators, specifically in the context of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the challenges of formulating such a series and its implications for commutation relations involving functions of operators.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes an initial guess for the power series expansion of a function of operators, but expresses uncertainty about its correctness due to the non-commuting nature of the operators.
  • Another participant suggests that there is a simple rule applicable to quantum mechanics that may aid in the discussion.
  • A different participant outlines specific commutation relations involving operators and expresses the need to show how these relate to a function of operators, indicating a desire to explore commutator relations further.
  • One participant questions the feasibility of writing a power series for non-commuting operators, suggesting that it may lead to an infinite product with multiple indices, complicating the formulation.
  • Another participant recommends using the Poisson bracket and Dirac's rule for canonical quantization as a potential approach to the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the formulation of the power series for functions of non-commuting operators, with no consensus reached on a definitive approach or solution. There are multiple competing ideas and techniques proposed, reflecting the complexity of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the challenges posed by the non-commuting nature of operators, which complicates the formulation of a power series. There are indications of missing assumptions and unresolved mathematical steps in the proposed approaches.

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Hi, I'm looking for a general power series for a function of F of n operators. As normal, the operators do not necessarily commute.

My first guess was:
[tex] F(x,p) = \sum_{i=0}^\infty \sum_{j=0}^\infty a_{ij} x^i p^j + b_{ij}p^i x^j[/tex]

However, I don't think this is correct as it is possible to have operators between x and p.
So then I thought that this might be the correct expansion:
[tex] F(x,p) = \sum_{i=0}^\infty \sum_{j=0}^\infty a_{ij} x^i b_{ij} p^j + c_{ij} p^i d_{ij} x^j[/tex]

Obviously, I'm just guessing here and could use some help. Why do I care about this? I am trying to derive a formula for

[F(x_1,...,x_n), G]

Suppose I know how G commutes with each of the operators x_i. I want to get an expansion for G commuting with some function F of the x_i operators. I'll work on the details of that, but first I need some help with the power series of F.
 
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There exists a simple rule, if you'd be applying your discussion to quantum mechanics.

Daniel.
 
So here is what I am actually trying to do. I have:

[tex] [P^j,\phi_r(x)] = -i \hbar \frac{\partial\phi_r(x)}{\partial x_j}[/tex]

and

[tex] [P^j,\pi_r(x)] = -i \hbar \frac{\partial\pi_r(x)}{\partial x_j}[/tex]

For a function [itex]F\left(\phi_r(x),\pi_r(x)\right)[/itex], I need to show the following:

[tex] [P^j,F\left(\phi_r(x),\pi_r(x)\right)] = -i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial x_j}F\left(\phi_r(x),\pi_r(x)\right)[/tex]

I was thinking of considering the various commutator relations:

[tex] [P^j,\phi^n_r(x)][/tex]

but since the operators don't commute, there are (too) many possible combinations to consider. I would be interested in knowing this trick you speak of.

Thanks.
 
Use the Poisson bracket and Dirac's rule giving the canonical quantization.

Daniel.
 
Could someone spell this out for me? I have convinced myself that there is no pretty way to write a power series for a function of operators (that do not necessarily commute). It seems like you'd have a sum of an infinite product...each term in the product with their own index...so you are summing over an infinite number of indices.
 

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