Integration by Parts: Assigning u & dv with LIPATE Rule

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The discussion revolves around the application of integration by parts, specifically focusing on the assignment of u and dv using the LIPATE rule. Participants are exploring how to effectively choose these components for various integrals, including ln(1+x^2) and other functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to assign u and dv for the integral of ln(1+x^2) but questions whether their choice is appropriate. Others confirm the assignment but discuss its implications. Another participant shares their work on a related integral and seeks guidance on the next steps, indicating confusion about the proper approach. Further, a participant expresses difficulty in determining u and dv for a different integral and asks for resources to improve their understanding.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's assignments and approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of u-substitution as an alternative method, although there is an emphasis on adhering to the requirement of using integration by parts as per the original poster's textbook. Multiple interpretations of how to tackle the integrals are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention constraints from their textbook that require the use of integration by parts for certain problems, which may limit their exploration of alternative methods. There is also a reference to previous learning that may not be fully recalled, impacting their current problem-solving abilities.

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Hi,

I'm a bit confused as to what I should assign u and dv in this integration by parts:

ln(1+x^2)dx

I remember a general rule called the "LIPATE" rule... which is basically Logarithms, inverse trigs, poly, algebra, trig, then exponentials...

Now... would I assign u = ln(1+x^2)? and dv = dx?

That kind of defeats the purpose of integration by parts... doesn't it?

I'm probably not assigning u and dv properly... so if anybody can lend me a hand, thank you!
 
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zenity said:
Now... would I assign u = ln(1+x^2)? and dv = dx?

Yes.

That kind of defeats the purpose of integration by parts... doesn't it?

No, it works like a charm. Try it and see.
 
Ok... so this is what happens after I work it out

u=ln(1+x)^2 du=2x/(x^2+1)

dv=dx v=x

ln(1+x^2)x - integral [ 2x^2/(1+x^2)

Using a calc, I found out that the integral works out to be x - arctan(x)

... but I don't know how to do it ... any pointers?
 
Your "new" integrand is an improper rational function. They should have beat in into your head during your precalc courses that improper rational functions should be decomposed into a polynomial plus a proper rational function, via long division.

Try that, and then see if it's not clear what to do.
 
I'll need a quick refresher on that... I don't remember exactly how to do that...
I'll take a look around on the net. In the meantime, I am 100% stuck on this question:

integral of x^7/(1+x^4)^(3/2)

I've tried assigning u=x^7 and dv="the bottom part"

unfortunately... I don't know where I'm headed.

I'm sorry for all these questions. I have a hard time trying to determine what I should assign to u and dv. Is there a good tutorial online or something that can help me in this area?
 
zenity said:
In the meantime, I am 100% stuck on this question:
integral of x^7/(1+x^4)^(3/2)

Don't get so caught up in integration by parts that you forget the other stuff you used to know. This can be done with a simple u-substitution. I'll let you figure out what u is supposed to be.
 
Thanks... but this section in the book insists that we use integration by parts in order to solve these questions... (Although using substitution as a secondary method would be acceptable I think).

I've solved the questions... but I'm now stuck on integration and trigonometric identities...

Integral of sec(x)^4 / tan(x)^2

I've tried using sec(x)^2 = tan(x)^2 + 1 and vice versa, but I don't seem to be getting anywhere with that. If someone could possibly lend a few hinters! Thanks!
 
You can just change everything to sin(x) and cos(x), then go from there.
So:
[tex]\int \frac{\sec ^ 4 x}{\tan ^ 2 x} dx = \int \frac{\cos ^ 2 x}{\sin ^ 2 x \cos ^ 4 x}dx = \int \frac{1}{\sin ^ 2 x \cos ^ 2 x}dx[/tex]
There's sin(x) and cos(x) in the denominator, so you may want to change the numerator a bit so that it also has sin(x) and cos(x).
[tex]... = \int \frac{\cos ^ 2 x + \sin ^ 2 x}{\sin ^ 2 x \cos ^ 2 x}dx = ...[/tex]
Can you go from here?
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Or if you want to continue doing it your way, then you can change everything into tan(x).
So:
[tex]\int \frac{\sec ^ 4 x}{\tan ^ 2 x} dx = \int \frac{(1 + \tan ^ 2 x) ^ 2}{\tan ^ 2 x} dx = \int \frac{dx}{\tan ^ 2 x} + \int \tan ^ 2 x dx + \int 2 dx[/tex]
Now you can change tan(x) to sin(x) and cos(x): tan(x) = sin(x) / cos(x). And use sin2x + cos2x = 1 to solve the problem.
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Anyway, it's always good that you start another thread for another problem, instead of using the old one...
Viet Dao,
 
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