Using the chain rule with 2 variables ?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the chain rule in the context of multivariable calculus, specifically focusing on functions of two variables. The original poster expresses confusion regarding how to apply the chain rule when differentiating a function that depends on two variables, using a specific example involving a function of the form f(x,y) = (Squareroot(x))(cosh(x+y^2)) and transformations x(s,t)=st and y(s,t)=s/t.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation of multivariable functions, questioning how to treat other variables as constants during differentiation. There are attempts to clarify the application of the chain rule and the treatment of terms like y^2 in derivatives. Some participants provide examples to illustrate their points, while others seek further clarification on specific cases.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants offering insights into the differentiation process and the chain rule. There is a mix of explanations and examples being shared, but no consensus has been reached on the original poster's confusion regarding the treatment of variables in the chain rule context.

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Participants note the importance of understanding how to differentiate functions with respect to one variable while holding others constant, and there is mention of the distinction between treating variables as constants versus applying the chain rule in composite functions. The original poster's example raises questions about the consistency of applying these principles.

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Hey, I am a bit confused oh how to use the chain rule when i have 2 variables in an equation...
Example : f(x,y) = (Squareroot(x)).(cosh(x+y^2)) x(s,t)=st y(s,t)=s/t
When i have 2 variables, I am not sure how to split it up and use the chain rule, all the examples i found only have 1 variable :shy: Thanks :(
 
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When differentiating a multivariate function with respect to one variable, you hold the other variables constant, e.g.
[tex]\frac{d}{dy}\left(x\sin(xy^{2})\right)=x\frac{d}{dy}\sin(xy^{2})=x\cos(xy^{2})\frac{d}{dy}(xy^{2})=2x^{2}y\cos(xy^{2})[/tex]

in the above example x is a constant. Whereas in the example below, y is a constant:

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\left(x\sin(xy^{2})\right)=\frac{d}{dx}\left(x\right)\cdot\sin(xy^{2})+x\frac{d}{dx}\left(\sin(xy^{2})\right)=1\cdot\sin(xy^{2})+x\cos(xy^{2})\frac{d}{dx}(xy^{2})=\sin(xy^{2})+xy^{2}\cos(xy^{2})[/tex]
 
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Ok, so say when i derive cosh(x + y^2) with respect to x, i get (1+y^2)sinh(x+y^2) correct ?? basically i don't touch y^2 and treat it as a whole number ?? :shy: But i don't get it, since if i had like cosh(x+3), then the derivative would just be sinh(x+3) using the chain rule correct ?? so why is the y^2 out the front in the other one ?
 
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When you differentiate with respect to one variable, say x, you treat the other, y, as constant. Specifically:

[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}f(x,y)=\lim_{h\to 0}\frac{f(x<br /> +h,y)-f(x,y)}{h}[/tex]
So it's just the rate of change of the function as you vary x you're interested in.
By the way, this alone has nothing to do with the chain rule, which tells you how to differentiate composite functions.

Now, differentiating cosh(x+y^2) with respect to x just means treating y constant. (So for this purpose we can treat the function as just dependent on x alone):
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\cosh(x+y^2)=\sinh(x+y^2)\frac{d}{dx}(x+y^2)=\sinh(x+y^2)[/tex]
Since the derivative of (x+y^2) wrt x is 1.
 

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