How Did Climate Change Impact the Fall of the Mycenaean Civilisation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential link between climate change and the fall of the Mycenaean civilization. Participants explore the evidence for climate change during the relevant historical period and its implications for understanding the civilization's decline.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about evidence for climate change during the time of the Mycenaean civilization, suggesting that establishing a timeline for climate change could support historical narratives.
  • Another participant questions the validity of forming conclusions first and then seeking evidence, proposing that theories should be based on observations before attempting to falsify them.
  • A different participant reiterates the idea of formulating hypotheses based on observations, emphasizing the challenge of working with limited historical data, particularly in the context of dark age history.
  • Some participants mention the existence of evidence for warming around 1000 AD, suggesting that this could be relevant to the discussion, though the source of this evidence is not detailed.
  • There is a suggestion that the scientific method often deals with unproven answers, raising questions about the value of pursuing certain lines of inquiry when definitive answers are scarce.

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Participants express differing views on the approach to forming hypotheses and the validity of existing evidence. There is no consensus on the relationship between climate change and the fall of the Mycenaean civilization, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in historical observations and the challenges of interpreting mythological sources. There is also an acknowledgment of the scarcity of definitive evidence regarding climate conditions during the relevant period.

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Is there any evidence for a climate change around this time ? i hope to link
a change in climate with the fall of the Mycenaean civilisation, a date for any
climate change would solidify other historical data. thanks.
 
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Isn't picking a conclusion and searching for supporting evidence the wrong way to go about things?
 
matthyaouw said:
Isn't picking a conclusion and searching for supporting evidence the wrong way to go about things?

Is that not the way, formulate a theory then attempt to falsify it ?
 
I'd say formulate a theory/hypothesis based on what's already been observed, then look deeper into it to try to falsify it. But anyway, carry on.
 
That's Socrates, Wolram Here are the basic scientific methods:

http://www.soci.niu.edu/~phildept/Dye/method.html

But yes there are loads of evidence for warming around 1000 AD. Just google this.
 
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matthyaouw said:
I'd say formulate a theory/hypothesis based on what's already been observed, then look deeper into it to try to falsify it. But anyway, carry on.
That is a problem with dark age history matthyaouw, there are very few observations, only myth, how can one look deeper into myth. :smile:
 
Andre said:
That's Socrates, Wolram Here are the basic scientific methods:
http://www.soci.niu.edu/~phildept/Dye/method.html
But yes there are loads of evidence for warming around 1000 AD. Just google this.

When science has few answers i think it goes back to what is on the menu,
regardless of fact, only what can come from some fertile educated mind is
then considered, then the mathamaticians compute if what comes from this
mind are in the realms of reality, the scientific method is all ways unproved answers, so why bother ?
Thanks for your reply Andre :smile:
 
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