Calc I - Why is it possible to combine these constants of integration?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical process of combining constants of integration in the context of an integral equation. Participants explore the logical steps involved in transitioning from an equation with separate constants to one with a single constant, as well as the implications of treating certain terms as constants based on their definitions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral equation and seeks clarification on how to combine two constants of integration into a single constant.
  • Another participant illustrates the concept by providing a general example of combining constants, suggesting that if \( a + C_1 = b + C_2 \), then it can be rewritten as \( a = b + C \) where \( C = C_2 - C_1 \).
  • A participant expresses difficulty in applying the general explanation to the specific equations presented, indicating a need for further clarification.
  • Another participant simplifies the equation and explains that since \( C_1 \) and \( C_2 \) are real numbers, they can be combined as constants.
  • Questions arise regarding the nature of \( GMC_2 \) as a constant, with discussions on whether \( G \) and \( M \) are indeed constants or could be variables, which would affect the ability to combine constants.
  • One participant acknowledges the assumption that \( G \) and \( M \) are constants but raises the possibility of them being variables, questioning the implications for combining constants.
  • A later reply notes that the derivative of a constant is zero, which supports the idea that the number of constants does not affect the outcome of differentiation.
  • Finally, a participant expresses gratitude for the explanations received, indicating a better understanding of the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the combination of constants, with some agreeing on the mathematical principles while others question the assumptions about the nature of the constants involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of treating certain terms as constants when they could potentially be variables.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of constants in the context of the problem, particularly concerning the gravitational constant \( G \) and mass \( M \). There is also mention of the potential for \( GM \) to be a variable, which complicates the discussion on combining constants.

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Hello,

I have the following equation

[tex]\int \!v{dv}=-{\it GM}\,\int \!{y}^{-2}{dy}\]}[/tex]

Integrating I get...

[tex]\[\frac{1}{2}v ^{2}+C _{1}=-GM\essdot\left(-\frac{1}{y }+C _{2}\right)\]}[/tex]

Now how do I go from what I have above to this

[tex]v ^{2}=2{\it GM} \left(\frac{1}{y }\right)+C \]}[/tex]

How it is possible to combine the separate constants of integration into a single constant of integration? Do these two equations follow in logical steps or are there steps missing which would help explain? Any web sites which could help me understand why we can do this?

I'm also having problems previewing my latex? Why does it always say reload?

Also whenever after I go back to the editing box after previewing I lose all of my line breaks.
Is there any way to prevent that? I always have to copy, preview, go back and paste, then edit... Firefox problem?

Thanks
 
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Say:
a + C1 = b + C2, where a and b are variables, C1 and C2 constants of integration.

Then,

a + C1 = b + C2
a = b + (C2 - C1)
Let C = C2 - C1
a = b + C
 
Your explanation makes sense but I don't see how to apply it to the above equations.
 
[tex]\frac{1}{2}v ^{2}=-GM\left(-\frac{1}{y }+C _{2}\right)-C _{1}$}[/tex]

Simplifying the right side of the equation gives us

[tex]\[\frac{1}{2}v ^{2}=\frac{{\it GM} }{y }-GMC _{2}-C _{1}\]}[/tex]

I'm trying to step through this algebraically to help me understand but I don't think it is helping. How can C1 and C2 be combined as a single constant from the above equation?
 
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C1 and C2 are just real numbers. You just add like terms in an equation:

[tex] \int vdv + GM\int y^{-2}dy = (\frac{1}{2}v + C_1) + (GM\cdot (-\frac{1}{y} + C_2)) = \frac{1}{2}v - \frac{GM}{y} + C_1 + GMC_2[/tex]

Because [itex]C_1[/itex] and [itex]GMC_2[/itex] are real constants, you just add them up to get

[tex] \frac{1}{2}v - \frac{GM}{y} + C[/tex]

- Kamataat
 
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What makes GMC_2 a constant?

In this problem it is a constant because G is the gravitational constant and M is the mass of the Earth.
Is that why you say the above is a constant, because you recognized the above equation?
But what if GM was let's say Z which was a variable? Is ZC_2 still a constant? Why?
 
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I sort of guessed G and M are constants. Of course, I could have been wrong. My apologies for that, then.

Of course, if GM is not a constant, but is some non-constant function of a variable, then you can't add them like that.

edit: PS: You can add them b/c the derivative of a constant is zero, so it won't make a difference if there's one or two (or more) of them.

- Kamataat
 
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Ok, I understand now. Thanks for taking the time to explain this problem to me :)
 

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