Second order differential equations

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The discussion revolves around solving the time-independent Schrödinger equation for a particle in a one-dimensional box, specifically the equation d²y/dx² = -k²y. Participants explore the nature of the differential equation and its solutions, noting the context of infinite potential walls and zero potential inside the box.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various methods for solving the differential equation, including separation of variables, educated guessing, and recognizing the structure of the equation in relation to known functions. Questions arise about the applicability of certain methods and the nature of the solutions.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into potential methods for solving the equation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of exponential functions and the characteristics of the solutions, but there is no explicit consensus on a single approach.

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Some participants question the validity of separating second-order derivatives and explore the implications of different types of functions that could satisfy the equation. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem given the original poster's background in first-order differential equations.

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hi,

I have a question showing the 'particle in a box' example of the 1-d Schrödinger equation, and given the initial conditions (walls of infinite potential, zero potential inside the box) the time-independent equation reduces to d^2y/dx^2 = -k^2y, where k is a constant - my text just gives me the answer to this equation and I'm wondering whether it's possible to be solved? My mathematics only goes as far as solving simple first-order differential equations so I'm a bit lost here - I assume one separates the variables to get (1/y)d^2y = (-k^2)dx^2, but what then?

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integrate then solve for y
 
First let me assure you that the equation can be solved, in fact it has the same structure as another equation you have surely seen before: Newton's 2nd Law for a harmonic oscillator.

How can you proceed then?

Well, the most basic approach is educated guessing. Can you think of any functions that are closed under differentiation. That is, do you know some functions that you can differentiate twice and get something like themselves back.

Separation of variables isn't directly applicable, but you can play games under the integral and make progress. A better way to approach the problem is to multiply both sides by [tex]y'(x)[/tex] and see what you can do.

The systematic theory of linear differential equations with constant coeffecients gives you a prescription for the solution. You assume a solution of the form [tex]y(x) = e^{\alpha x}[/tex], and plug this "solution" into your differential equation (for the motivation behind this procedure, think about what I said above). It isn't hard to convince yourself that this reduces the differential equation in y to an algebraic equation in [tex]\alpha[/tex], one which can be solved in this case easily. Don't forget that there is more than one solution (why?).

Other more advanced methods exist including Laplace transform methods and Green's function methods, but they are a bit of overkill for so simple a problem (but fun nevertheless).

I've given you some general sketches of possible methods, see if you can apply one and find the solution. Hope this helps.
 
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No, you cannot "separate" second order derivatives like that.

A standard method is to recognize that the equation is saying that the second derivative on the left side is just a multiple of the function on the right. You should be able to see immediately that it can't be, for example, a logarithm (whose second derivative is -1/x[/sup]2[/sup]) or most other functions. You might think about an exponential: the derivative of ex is ex, exactly the same as the function itself. To allow for the k, try y= erx where r is some (unknown) number. The derivative of that is rerx and the second derivivative is r2erx. Putting that into the equation gives you r2erx= -k2erx. Since the exponential is never 0, you can divide through by that to get r2= -k2. In order to satisfy that r must be either ki or -ki. Now, you might remember that eikx= cos(kx)+ i sin(kx)- and then realize that, of course, if y= sin(kx), y'= k cos(kx), and y''= -k2sin(kx)= -k2y.
Same for y= cos(kx). That's how your textbook got the result.
 

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