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    Graduate Test if 2nd order diff eq. can be derived from a Hamiltonian

    This has been my approach. I should have added that the additional terms are a perturbation, so I'm trying to achieve even just the simpler goal of matching terms to the next order in epsilon. Even so, I'm only close in a simple case, and in complicated cases it seems hopeless to get everything...
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    Graduate Test if 2nd order diff eq. can be derived from a Hamiltonian

    Imagine I have a complicated second-order differential equation that I strongly suspect can be derived from a Hamiltonian (with additional momentum dependence beyond p2/2m, so the momentum is not simply mv, but I don't know what it is). Are there any ways to test whether or not the given...
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    Graduate Unraveling the Mystery of Hamiltonian Mechanics

    Hi Vanhees, sorry yes I've been reading all your posts carefully, I just have agreed with everything you said so I didn't comment on it. I am completely on the same page as you that the variational principle in the Hamiltonian formalism is more general than that in the Lagrangian. But I'm...
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    Graduate Unraveling the Mystery of Hamiltonian Mechanics

    Hm, thanks for the reply Mr. Vodka. I'd be interested to see what other people think. I'm not sure that looking at the Lagrangian problem in q and \dot{q} space is quite right. I think the variation is done in q, t space, and when you derive the condition for the action to be minimized, since...
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    Graduate Unraveling the Mystery of Hamiltonian Mechanics

    Mr. Vodka: If you look at how you derive the Euler-Lagrange equations in the Lagrangian formalism, you don't vary q and \dot{q} independently. What you do is you vary the path q(t), and that creates variations in q and \dot{q} that are related to each other through \delta \dot{q} =...
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    Graduate Unraveling the Mystery of Hamiltonian Mechanics

    Right, I think where I'm getting confused is that with Lagrangians, along any path you can't vary q without varying \dot{q}. I therefore have trouble seeing how you can transform to a Hamiltonian and now vary q and p independently. p = \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{q}}, so since L = L(q...
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    Graduate Unraveling the Mystery of Hamiltonian Mechanics

    Hi, A fundamental aspect in the Hamiltonian framework of mechanics is that the q's and p's are independent. I feel like I understand the steps in the Legendre transform from Lagrangian to Hamiltonian mechanics, but I don't see how you can go from a system where only the q's are independent...