Test if 2nd order diff eq. can be derived from a Hamiltonian

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The discussion centers on the challenge of determining whether a complicated second-order differential equation can be derived from a Hamiltonian framework, particularly when the momentum is not simply expressed as mv. The user explores the possibility of forming a general Lagrangian function, but notes difficulties when fractional powers of position and momentum are involved. They seek a more efficient method, such as numerical integration of equations of motion to analyze the dimensionality of the trajectory manifold or utilizing canonical transformations to check symplectic criteria. The conversation highlights the complexities of matching terms in multi-degree-of-freedom systems.

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Imagine I have a complicated second-order differential equation that I strongly suspect can be derived from a Hamiltonian (with additional momentum dependence beyond p2/2m, so the momentum is not simply mv, but I don't know what it is).

Are there any ways to test whether or not the given second order differential equation can be derived from a Hamiltonian without finding what it is?
 
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If the potential energy of the system doesn't have an infinity (like in the potential of two point charges: ##V(r)\propto r^{-1}##), you can try to form a general Lagrangian function

##L =\sum_{k,l=0}^\infty c(k,l)\dot{q}^{k}q^{l}##

where the ##c(k,l)## are constant coefficients, and calculate the corresponding eq. of motion and find by comparison what Lagrangian corresponds to you DE. However, if there's fractional powers of x and p in the equation, this probably isn't so easy.
 
This has been my approach. I should have added that the additional terms are a perturbation, so I'm trying to achieve even just the simpler goal of matching terms to the next order in epsilon. Even so, I'm only close in a simple case, and in complicated cases it seems hopeless to get everything to match up (it's not a 1 degree of freedom problem, and there are many terms to simultaneously match).

So I was trying to think if there's a more clever, non-brute-force method. Something like trying to numerically integrate the equations of motion and somehow checking the dimensionality of the manifold on which the trajectories move to check for conserved quantities. I hoped though that there might be something simpler...like connecting the differential equation to some sort of canonical transformation and checking whether a symplectic criterion is satisfied...

Thanks for any thoughts!
 

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