Significant Figures and Measurement Uncertainty in Scientific Measurements

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The discussion revolves around the measurement of the period of oscillation of a simple pendulum, focusing on how to express this measurement with appropriate significant figures and uncertainty. Participants are examining the implications of different rounding conventions and error estimates based on a set of recorded oscillation times.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the calculation of the mean period and the associated uncertainty, questioning whether to express the result as (2.62 ± 0.11 s) or (2.6 ± 0.1 s). There are discussions on the significance of rounding and how to convey measurement accuracy effectively.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with various perspectives on how to report the period and its uncertainty. Some participants have offered insights into the implications of different rounding practices and the interpretation of statistical error. There is no clear consensus, as participants continue to share their views and seek further clarification.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the limitations of their sample size and the implications of reporting measurement uncertainty. The original poster expresses concern about the appropriateness of significant figures in light of the calculated error, prompting further discussion on the conventions of reporting such measurements.

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Homework Statement



We measure the period of oscillation of a simple pendulum .In successive measurements ,the readings turn out to be 2.63 s , 2.56s , 2.42s , 2.71s and 2.80s . What is the period of oscillation taking into account appropriate significant figures ?

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Mean period of oscillation T = ( 2.63 + 2.56 + 2.42 + 2.71 + 2.80 ) / 5 = 13.12/5 =2.62s

Arithmetic mean of absolute error ΔT = ( 0.01 + 0.06 + 0.20 + 0.09 + 0.18 ) /5 =0.11 s

This gives time period = 2.62 ± 0.11s

But , since the arithmetic mean is 0.11 s there is already an error in the tenth of a second . Hence there is no point in giving the period to a hundredth .

Now , my doubt is whether time period should be expressed as (2.62 ± 0.11s) OR (2.6 ± 0.1s) .

Thanks
 
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You have five observations; average is 2.624, estimated standard deviation ##\sigma## is 0.15 (excel stdev.s), so the estimated standard deviation in the 2.62 is 0.065 (##\sigma_m = \sigma/\sqrt N##) .

The relative accuracy of ##\sigma## is ##1/\sqrt 5## so about 50%. Your best shot is ## \ 2.62 \pm 0.07 ## seconds.

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Aside from that:
Numerically, you ended up with an error estimate with first digit 1. I learned that in such a case one gives two digits since the step (0,1,2) is too big. But: With only five observations there is a lot to be said in favor of giving only one digit anyway.

And another aspect: if you are going to do something with this result (plot T as a function of some length, calculate g, etc.), the remainder of your expose will be easier to follow with 2.62 +/- 0.11 than with 2.6 +/- 0.1 . And if you don't leave out mentioning the number of observations, a good reader understands.

Somewhat a matter of taste; I'd love to read other arguments. Any takers ?
 
BvU said:
I'd love to read other arguments
My view is that rounding to some number of digits in order to indicate the accuracy is merely a way to imply the range when no other indication is provided. If you are going to specify a range explicitly, you can, and should, show more digits for the best estimate (usually the middle of the range).
I didn't understand the remark about relative accuracy. Isn't it just a question of deciding how many standard deviations constitute a +/- error range? Two or three, maybe?
 
haruspex said:
I didn't understand the remark about relative accuracy. Isn't it just a question of deciding how many standard deviations constitute a +/- error range? Two or three, maybe?
I learned (yes, long ago...) that if you report only a +/- Δa then that's the sigma. If you want to report a range then that can be 2 or 3 sigma, but then you include a confidence level (e.g. 95% C.L) .

The relative error remark was on the relative error in the estimate of ##\sigma## from a sample. It is ##\approx 1/\sqrt N##. You need a sample size of 10000 to get an error of 1% in the ##\sigma## !

Life becomes even more inteesting if you have a systematic error to report; you can fold it into the statistical error, but you can also write a ##\pm## Δastat ##\pm## Δasyst (syst) which looks really professional
 
haruspex said:
My view is that rounding to some number of digits in order to indicate the accuracy is merely a way to imply the range when no other indication is provided. If you are going to specify a range explicitly, you can, and should, show more digits for the best estimate (usually the middle of the range).
So which of the two , (2.62±0.11)s OR (2.6±0.1)s seems better ?
 
Vibhor said:
So which of the two , (2.62±0.11)s OR (2.6±0.1)s seems better ?
The first.
 
From the OP :
But , since the arithmetic mean is 0.11 s there is already an error in the tenth of a second . Hence there is no point in giving the period to a hundredth .
Do you mind explaining why you didn't like the above reasoning ?Please explain as simply as possible .
 
Vibhor said:
From the OP : Do you mind explaining why you didn't like the above reasoning ?Please explain as simply as possible .
It doesn't hurt to show the extra .01s, and it is closer to the truth. If you write +/-0.1s then you are not quite encompassing the range. But to write +/-0.2s would be unnecessarily cautious. Maybe you think that +/-0.1s should be interpreted as per the sig figs convention, i.e. as really meaning +/-(0.1+/-.05), but that just gets silly.
Suppose you had computed the error range as +/-0.123. In that case, I think it would be reasonable to write it as +/-0.13. The extra 0.007 is insignificant, and it does encompass the computed error range.
 
Since you are trying to get a handle on measurement uncertainity, here's a link to a somewhat dated version of the international standard.
I haven't checked lately, there may be a later version. NB. It's about 7 megabytes zipped.

GUM - Guide to expression of uncertainity in measurement2008 & Intro & Supplement 1

URL: http://www.bipm.org/utils/common/documents/jcgm/JCGM_pack_2010-03.zip
(My download Date was: 2011/02/14 15:00)
 
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