How do I get involved in Science early?

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The discussion centers on how to get involved in scientific research and hands-on experiences early, particularly for students transitioning into university studies in biological sciences and physics. Participants share personal experiences, suggestions for internships, and alternative methods for gaining practical skills outside of formal education.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest approaching professors for internships in their labs, though experiences vary based on institutional policies regarding first-year students.
  • One participant recounts their successful experience working unpaid in a lab, highlighting the skills and opportunities gained from that involvement.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of having background knowledge and suggests that professors may be less inclined to accept students without it.
  • Some participants mention cultural differences in how institutions handle student involvement in research.
  • There are suggestions for high school students to engage in science projects like ISEF to build experience before college.
  • Participants discuss the value of curiosity and personal experimentation, with examples such as studying ants or experimenting with cooking and brewing.

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Participants express a range of opinions on the best approaches to getting involved in science early, with no clear consensus on the most effective method. Some advocate for direct engagement with professors, while others caution against it without sufficient background knowledge.

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Limitations include varying institutional policies on student internships, differing levels of preparedness among students, and the subjective nature of personal experiences shared.

Who May Find This Useful

Students interested in pursuing careers in science, particularly those transitioning from high school to university, as well as educators looking for insights into student engagement in research.

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I will be going to university next year to do biological sciences major for 1 year then move on to physics for 2 or 3 more years until I finish my bachelor for physics.
however, I'm much more of a hands-on person. I love performing simple experiments at home and playing around with the results. I have a 9-year-old cousin who is very curious and I always make any science concepts simple and use everyday things to explain it to her.
I don't mind if I'm just volunteering or unpaid work experience, I just want to develop these skills early and get involved either than university.
Where do I start?
 
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I think you can ask professors if you can intern for them in their labs.
 
Shing Ernst said:
I think you can ask professors if you can intern for them in their labs.
yeah the professors said they don't do it for first-year undergrads at my university
 
Ask a PhD employee supervising the practicals once you are in a practical.You are getting a little ahead of yourself when you start emailing a professor/PI/head of the lab asking for a project when you haven't even attended your first lecture yet.
 
In that case, then in your field, background knowledge at that level is a must. unless you have a very good reason (e.g. I already taught myself the freshman stuffs), professors will hardly be convinced to change their mind.

Another approach is to ask as many professors as possible (their field , of course, interests you). this however personally I would not suggest. I myself have A LOT of experience doing experiments that I have nearly zero theory knowledge in, frankly, not much physics I have learned in doing so. (though I did learn some experiment skills, but you can learn these skills sooner or later. as long as you are in a lab. It is not worth the time)
 
There are some cultural differences that vary from one institution to another on how to get involved more quickly in research.

For high school students, ISEF type science projects are a great path. Once in college, you should seek the advice of a local faculty member and follow it.
 
victorhugo said:
I will be going to university next year to do biological sciences major for 1 year then move on to physics for 2 or 3 more years until I finish my bachelor for physics.
however, I'm much more of a hands-on person. I love performing simple experiments at home and playing around with the results. I have a 9-year-old cousin who is very curious and I always make any science concepts simple and use everyday things to explain it to her.
I don't mind if I'm just volunteering or unpaid work experience, I just want to develop these skills early and get involved either than university.
Where do I start?
My second week in college I approached my general chemistry professor and asked if I could "work" in his graduate research lab and specified I didn't expect to be paid, I just wanted experience. I worked in his lab for the next 4.5 years and never made a penny, but I did learn how to operate and maintain analytical instruments, got certified to operate a Class IV Nd-YAG solid state laser, had my name and work included in 4 publications and 3 PhD dissertations and presented a poster on "Forensic analyses in Undergrad Chemistry Labs" at a SERMACS conference. That work got me into grad school and has played a part in getting each of my 3 jobs since finishing school. I have also used that professor and the grad students I worked with (all now PhDs) as references on all my grad school and job applications and even on my Unescoted Site Access background check and psychological evaluation with the NRC. Long story short, my career is what it is today because of my experience in his lab. Definitely work/volunteer in a lab or for a professor if you can, they're also very accomodating of your academic schedule and needs, more so than a paid position would be.
 
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My second week in college I approached my general chemistry professor and asked if I could "work" in his graduate research lab and specified I didn't expect to be paid, I just wanted experience. I worked in his lab for the next 4.5 years and never made a penny, but I did learn how to operate and maintain analytical instruments, got certified to operate a Class IV Nd-YAG solid state laser, had my name and work included in 4 publications and 3 PhD dissertations and presented a poster on "Forensic analyses in Undergrad Chemistry Labs" at a SERMACS conference. That work got me into grad school and has played a part in getting each of my 3 jobs since finishing school. I have also used that professor and the grad students I worked with (all now PhDs) as references on all my grad school and job applications and even on my Unescoted Site Access background check and psychological evaluation with the NRC. Long story short, my career is what it is today because of my experience in his lab. Definitely work/volunteer in a lab or for a professor if you can, they're also very accomodating of your academic schedule and needs, more so than a paid position would be.
What did you specifically do with your Nd-YAG? I am hearing a lot of chemistry folks using it.
 
Related to academic performance, you should practice doing science. This can be on your own (as a kid I studied the ants in our house and wrote a report detailing my findings) or within a research lab. Often there are summer projects in research labs even for high school students and once in university this is something you should actively pursue.
 
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Very generally, you need to be curious about something - anything so that the materials and equipment can be obtained and to try doing something with them according to what you are curious. One of the things to try which seemed natural for me to try was to follow bread recipes, and intentionally change some of the ingredients, just to see what would happen. More recently, I tried making flatbreads using a basic standard set of ingredient quantities, but tried as many different kinds of flour as I could find. Same with the fats and oils.

A more technical way to do something scientific also involving food could be beer brewing and wine making. These require much more care and preparation, so better for someone with a scientific interest. One reason: lack of cleanliness in preparation will lead to spoilage.
 
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