Hypothesis testing: Defining H0, HA hypotheses so that ( H_A)_A' makes sense

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The discussion centers on the limitations of traditional hypothesis testing in statistics, specifically regarding the Null Hypothesis (H0) and Alternative Hypothesis (HA). It highlights that in a Frequentist framework, hypotheses are not exhaustive, as one cannot accept a hypothesis but only conclude whether to reject it. The conversation also touches on the differences between Frequentist and Bayesian approaches, emphasizing that Bayesian statistics allows for the calculation of the probability of hypotheses given data. The need for an alternative operator (_A') to make sense of the decision-making process in hypothesis testing is proposed.

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The standard _A " operator" maps a Null Hypothesis Ho into a decision set { Do not reject:=1 and reject :=0}. In this sense ( HA)_A , makes no sense. Since H0, HA aren't exhaustive,
The standard _A " operator" maps a Null Hypothesis Ho into a decision set { Do not reject:=1 and reject :=0}. In this sense ( HA)_A , makes no sense. Since H0, HA aren't exhaustive, can we find an alternative operator, _A' , so that ( H_A)_A' makes sense? Isn't Pearson Neyman related to this? Hope I'm making sense.
Edit: I was motivated by a superficial similarity of the idea with double transposition of matrices M, with ## (M^{T})^{T}=M##, and just wanted to see if it made sense to talk about the " Alternative of the Alternative " returned the initial hypothesis.
 
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WWGD said:
TL;DR: The standard _A " operator" maps a Null Hypothesis Ho into a decision set { Do not reject:=1 and reject :=0}. In this sense ( HA)_A , makes no sense. Since H0, HA aren't exhaustive,

Since H0, HA aren't exhaustive
Why wouldn’t they be exhaustive?
 
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Dale said:
Why wouldn’t they be exhaustive?
Well, at least in the Frequentist set up , we don't get to actually accept, just conclude we don't have enough evidence to reject or not reject. I don't understand the Bayesian approach to tell.
 
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Ah, I see your question and my confusion.

Let’s say that you are doing a placebo controlled randomized test for a medicine to reduce the duration of a cold with ##\mu_p## being the mean duration of a cold with the placebo and ##\mu_d## being the mean duration of a cold with the drug.

Usually the hypotheses would be ##H_0: \ \mu_p=\mu_d## and ##H_A: \ \mu_p\ne \mu_d##. So those are exhaustive. No matter the actual values of ##\mu_d## and ##\mu_p## exactly one of those two hypotheses will be true. So the hypotheses are mutually exclusive and collectively exhaustive.

But you are looking not at the hypotheses but the decisions. And I agree with you there.

So you could make a decision to reject a hypothesis, fail to reject a hypothesis, accept a hypothesis, or fail to accept a hypothesis. So that is four possibilities for each of two hypotheses for a total of sixteen possible outcomes. Maybe accept both is not a possibility so maybe it is fifteen. But certainly reject and fail to reject the null hypothesis is not exhaustive.

Is that more or less what you meant?
 
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With frequentist statistics you cannot speak of the probability of hypotheses, so you can only calculate ##P(D|H_0)##. With Bayesian statistics the big difference is that you can calculate ##P(H_0|D)##
 
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