Physics of ISV (Interstellar Vehicle) in Avatar Series

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The discussion centers around the physics of the Interstellar Vehicle (ISV) depicted in the Avatar series, particularly in relation to its travel mechanics, propulsion methods, and the implications of relativistic effects on time experienced by passengers. The conversation includes theoretical considerations of space travel, energy requirements, and comparisons to cinematic elements of the franchise.

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  • One participant describes the ISV's propulsion system as relying on matter-antimatter reactors and solar sails, suggesting that conventional chemical propellants are insufficient for achieving 0.7c.
  • Another participant questions the narrative elements of the film, expressing dissatisfaction with the perceived lack of originality in the plot and settings of the sequels.
  • There is a mention of the relativistic time dilation experienced by passengers, with calculations indicating that while a static observer sees a journey time of 6.2 years, passengers would experience a shorter duration due to the effects of traveling at relativistic speeds.
  • Some participants discuss the thematic elements of the film, comparing the portrayal of the Pandorians to human nature, suggesting a critique of traditional storytelling in Cameron's works.
  • Concerns are raised about the originality of Cameron's storytelling, with references to accusations of borrowing from other narratives like Fern Gully and Pocahontas.

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Participants express a mix of technical interest in the physics of the ISV and critical opinions on the narrative aspects of the Avatar series. There is no consensus on the quality or originality of the films, with some participants agreeing on the rehashed elements while others focus on the scientific aspects.

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The discussion includes speculative elements regarding the physics of space travel and the narrative structure of the films. Some assumptions about the propulsion methods and their feasibility are not fully explored or resolved.

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Avatar 3 Fire and Ash is out but I promise I won't post any spoilers for this movie. But after watching the 3.5 h long Sci Fi movies I studied the physics of it's ISV here

The events took place on Pandora a habitable exo moon orbiting a gas giant that itself orbits the Alpha Centauri system 4.34 ly away from Earth. It is nearly impossible for conventional space shuttle to reach there due to immense distances. For a space shuttle traveling at 100,000km/h, it takes 46900 years to reach.

The ISV in Avatar franchise travels at 0.7c and hence should not be powered by conventional chemical propellants as they are too weak to reach such speeds. The initial acceleration from Earth takes roughly 6 months to reach 0.7c by using matter-anti matter reactors and a solar sail being continuously struck by a high power laser from Earth to push the ship forward as photons carries momentum ##\lambda=\frac{h}{p}##. The empty ISV has a mass m. The total KE it has at cruising speed is
$$KE=(\gamma-1)mc^2$$
With
$$\gamma=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-0.7^2}}=1.40$$
And hence the KE is ##0.4mc^2##. Assuming the solar sail contributes to half the energy and the matter antimatter reactor contributed to the other half, hence the total mass of matter anti matter needed is 0.2m. The anti matter is stored in a vacuum chamber trapped by strong magnet fields and cooled to near absolute 0 to prevent premature annihilation from accidental contact with the matter.
It travels at constant speed of 0.7c during majority of it's journey without any additional assistance from the engines since there is nothing to resist it's motion in a vacuum.
In the final 6 months of it's journey, the matter anti matter reactors rapidly decelerates the ship as it reaches the Alpha Centauri system. But by relying entirely on the matter anti matter reactors, it will take too much additional mass on the ship to store the fuel so I believe that it can exploit the radiation from the Alpha Centauri stars to assist in slowing it down.

From a static observer it takes 6.2 years to reach but relativistic time dilation is in effect for passengers on the ship and we established that the Lorentz constant is roughly 1.40 so time is experienced by the passengers on the ship 1.40 times slower and they have to wait 4.43 years which is a little bit longer the same time it takes for light from Earth to reach there from a static observer's POV. Assuming constant velocity entirely throughout the journey but it should take longer than that due to initial acceleration to 0.7 c and deceleration.

If light takes n years to travel to a distant location from a stationary POV, a spaceship moving at x times the speed of light takes ##\frac{n}{x}## years to reach the destination from a stationary POV while passengers on the spaceship wait ##n\frac{x}{\sqrt{1-x^2}}## years to reach for a positive value of x smaller than 1. By solving the equation
$$\frac{x}{\sqrt{1-x^2}}=1$$
The spaceship takes, from it's POV less than, 4.34 years to reach Alpha Centauri if it were to travel faster than ##\sqrt{0.5}## c
 
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Trollfaz said:
Avatar 3 Fire and Ash is out but I promise I won't post any spoilers for this movie. But after watching the 3.5 h long Sci Fi movies I studied the physics of it's ISV here
You did the YouTube?.
Now I know where and why all the fire came from when 'landing'.

It's doing excellent in the movie houses. I do not know why, cuz the plot is known from beginning to end, and who the bad guys are.

4 and 5 will most likely come out and milk the series.
Wonder what more ideas Cameron can cook up to keep the thrill going for the initiated and converted to his style of action and suspense movies.

I shouldn't complain. I enjoyed the earlier Terminators, True Lies, but not Titanic all that much/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cameron_filmography
 
256bits said:
It's doing excellent in the movie houses. I do not know why, cuz the plot is known from beginning to end, and who the bad guys are.
I just saw it a few days ago and I can't distinguish III from II. Nothing new. Pretty much a rehash.

I went in expecting at least a third biome: I: jungle, II: water, III: fire. But no. III had no new biome, just a tribe who didn't like the other tribes. And even then it was still just a rehash of the water biome in II.

It's entirely possible I will eschew IV and V.
 
DaveC426913 said:
just a tribe who didn't like the other tribes
So the Pandorians are just as nasty as us humans it seems, except the nice ones.
 
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256bits said:
So the Pandorians are just as nasty as us humans it seems, except the nice ones.
Yeah. James Cameron is known for being a romantic. His settings may be fantastical but his stories are often very traditional.

In fact, he has been accused of stealing stories wholesale. There is some lively discussion about which story he stole Avator from: Fern Gully or Pocahontas. Both are almost identical to Avatar, and it is seen as highly suspicious by some that Cameron's accounting of when the concept of Avatar came to him happens to be just a very short time after the release of Fern Gully.
 
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