Might A Hot Jupiter Require Another Gas Giant - 3-body Problem?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the formation and migration of hot Jupiters, particularly focusing on the potential need for a third gas giant in the early stages of planetary system development. Participants explore the implications of the three-body problem and the dynamics involved in the migration of gas giants and other celestial bodies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the presence of another gas giant may be necessary for the formation of hot Jupiters, proposing that it could lead to ejection and retention of one giant in a tight orbit.
  • Another participant questions the assumption that gas giants cannot form close to their stars, asking if any rough calculations have been made to support this idea.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the idea of using infrared telescopes to detect gas giants or brown dwarfs, suggesting that the migration of hot Jupiters could be a result of complex n-body interactions.
  • One participant argues that the migration of planets is likely due to the ejection of numerous smaller objects rather than the influence of a single massive object.
  • Another participant reiterates the idea of migration through the ejection of smaller objects, referencing the Oort cloud and speculating on the mass of ejected material from gas giant interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind the formation and migration of hot Jupiters, with no consensus reached on whether a third gas giant is necessary or if other factors are more significant.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the formation processes of gas giants and the dynamics of planetary migration, which remain unresolved. There are also references to specific calculations and models that have not been detailed in the thread.

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How might hot jupiters arrrive close in, since gas sufficient for their formation would be seem to be further outward? It might seem to require a 3-body 'solution'. That is, must another gas giant have been in the mix for much earlier stages? Perhaps ejecting 1 giant, and retaining the other in a tight orbit? 3-body problems can result in chaotic motion. But still, through simulations, might one conjure up various possible scenarios of how 1 gas giant ends up in a tight orbit?

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That is an ingenious idea. But what makes you think that Jupiter is too close for a gas giant to form? Have you done any rough calculations?
 
Another exoplanet detection approach: infrared telescope?

If tight orbital hot jupiters are the result of a 3-body or n-body process, in which some are ejected from system, and some migrate into large orbits; then perhaps a dedicated infrared telescope for finding the latter gas giants or brown dwarf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_dwarf" database with another viable detection modality?
 
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The planets probably migrated as a result of ejecting trillions of smaller objects, rather than 1 massive object.
 
planet migration

tony873004 said:
The planets probably migrated as a result of ejecting trillions of smaller objects, rather than 1 massive object.

Our Ort cloud http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ort_cloud" has trillions of objects, although the total mass is not that high; perhaps 3 Earth masses; although the ejected material (from our gas giant interaction) might have been much more (50-100 Earth masses) Yet we don't have a tight orbital hot Jupiter in our system.
 
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