Are Hot Jupiters in Stable Orbital Resonance?

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The discussion centers around the stability of hot Jupiters' orbits and their potential for being in orbital resonance within their systems. Participants explore the implications of adding a hot Jupiter to a stellar system, the role of cold gas giants, and the effects of stellar phenomena on these planets.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that hot Jupiters might be in stable orbits and question whether their resonance could be calculated as non-integral.
  • Others argue that resonance is not a requirement for a stable orbit, noting that many multi-planet systems exhibit resonance, but hot Jupiters with eccentric orbits may not be in significant resonances.
  • There is a suggestion that if a cold gas giant were removed from a system, it could change the resonance dynamics, but this would depend on the presence of other bodies to resonate with.
  • A participant mentions the migration theory, suggesting that if it is correct, other cold giants might have been ejected or destroyed, while some bodies could survive.
  • One participant raises the question of whether hot Jupiters are affected by their star's corona and stellar flares, indicating potential environmental influences on their stability.
  • Another participant confirms that hot Jupiters' atmospheres are being eroded by solar wind, with some having intense magnetospheres that may mitigate this effect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the relationship between hot Jupiters and resonance, with no consensus on whether they are in stable orbits or the implications of removing cold gas giants. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific dynamics of these systems.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions and conditions, such as the dependence on the presence of other celestial bodies for resonance and the complexities of orbital dynamics in multi-planet systems. The discussion also acknowledges the limitations of current data regarding planetary systems.

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Would it seem reasonable that so-called ‘hot jupiters’ are in resonance i.e. have a stable orbit? If one utilized our stellar system as a simulation, with the addition of a hot jupiter, then what would the resonance be? Would it be calculated as non integral? Then if our cold gas giant were discarded, would this then seem to change the resonance; hence the possibility of a stable orbit? Thus might the data set of hot jupiters of approximately 70-100, all have systems with no cold gas giants? Would this then also be consistent with a 3-body scenario, with ejection of a cold gas giant and inward migration of what becomes a hot Jupiter in stable orbit? Hence would one have the prediction of no cold gas giants for any of the hot Jupiter systems?
 
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cph said:
Would it seem reasonable that so-called ‘hot jupiters’ are in resonance i.e. have a stable orbit?
Resonance is not required for a stable orbit. A large number (and fraction) of multi-planet extrasolar systems are known to be in resonance however. It is a little more complicated with hot-jupiters, because they are so close in. In general, the hot-jupiters with eccentric orbits can be assumed to not be in significant resonances.

cph said:
If one utilized our stellar system as a simulation, with the addition of a hot jupiter, then what would the resonance be?
There would be many possible resonances... i.e. there are many semi-majoraxes at which the hot Jupiter could be in a resonance with our-own jupiter.

cph said:
Would it be calculated as non integral?
What do you mean?---Resonances are defined as (near) integral.

cph said:
Then if our cold gas giant were discarded, would this then seem to change the resonance.
Well, if there's nothing to resonate with... then yes, it would change the resonance.
It could still be in resonance with saturn (more accurately, saturn could be in resonance with it).

cph said:
Hence would one have the prediction of no cold gas giants for any of the hot Jupiter systems?
There are a tremendous number of 'if's and steps in that argument... many of which I don't quite follow.

Overall: if the migration theory is correct, it is reasonable to assume that other cold-giants might have been ejected or otherwise destroyed. It is also possible that other bodies could survive. Additionally, if some hot-jupiters managed to form in situ, in might be a good method of seeding other giants further out (via resonance perturbations).
 
Wouldn't hot jupiters be effected by million degree corona and/or stellar flares?
 
Yes, their hot, bloated atmospheres are being eroded by the solar wind. IIRC, some seem to have a sufficiently intense magnetosphere to slow this process...
 

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