Six Superheavy Gluons: Fact or Fiction?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of six superheavy gluons in the context of the standard model of particle physics. Participants explore whether such particles are recognized within current theories and why they may not be mentioned in mainstream literature.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls a mention of six superheavy gluons in a book, questioning their existence and why they are not widely discussed.
  • Another participant asserts that all particles in the standard model have been observed experimentally, except for the Higgs boson, suggesting the initial claim is incorrect.
  • A different participant emphasizes that particles described as "far too massive to ever be witnessed" cannot exist if they cannot be observed.
  • One participant suggests that the confusion may stem from supersymmetric models, which include additional heavy particles.
  • Another participant references the SU(5) Grand Unified Theory, proposing that the mentioned particles might be related to X and Y bosons, which are theorized to exist but have not been observed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the existence of the six superheavy gluons, with some asserting they are not part of the standard model while others suggest they may be confused with particles from other theories. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the initial claim.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the definitions and contexts of the particles discussed, as well as the assumptions underlying the claims about their existence and observability.

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I read some time ago in a book on physics (I believe it was A Brief History of Time, but I can't be sure) that mentioned how the current model for particle physics had the 16 particles of the standard model, plus six superheavy gluons that are far too massive to ever be witnessed. Am I misremembering this or is this true? And if so then why can't I find any mention of them anywhere?
 
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Vorde said:
I read some time ago in a book on physics (I believe it was A Brief History of Time, but I can't be sure) that mentioned how the current model for particle physics had the 16 particles of the standard model, plus six superheavy gluons that are far too massive to ever be witnessed. Am I misremembering this or is this true? And if so then why can't I find any mention of them anywhere?

Just off the top of my head, that sounds absolutely wrong. I think all of the particles in the standard model have been seen experimentally except for the Higgs boson.
 
Those six superheavy gluons are clearly not part of the standard model.

Also any particle being "far too massive to ever be witnessed" is an obviously wrong statement. If it will never be witnessed, then it doesn't exist.
 
I looked through A Brief History of Time, wasn't in there. It's possible I'll figure out where I read it in and update this thread but for now it's a safe assumption I'm misremembering something.

Thank you all though.
 
You're probably thinking of the SU(5) Grand Unified Theory by Georgi-Glashow. This has, in addition to the usual particles, a pair of superheavy bosons named X and Y. The X and Y carry color charge and form a weak doublet, and therefore couple to other particles through both the strong and weak interactions. Counting three colors for each, this would work out to six additional particles. The X boson has a charge of -4/3, while the Y boson has a charge of -1/3. The mass of each would be in the range of 1015 GeV/c2. They would cause proton decays, such as p → π0 + e+, which have not been observed.
 

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