Can Gluons Emit Photons?

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The discussion centers around whether gluons can emit photons, exploring the interactions between fundamental forces and gauge fields within the context of the Standard Model of particle physics. Participants examine the nature of gluons and photons, their charges, and the implications of these properties for potential interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that gluons cannot emit photons at tree level due to the absence of electric charge in gluons, while photons do not possess color charge.
  • Others mention that while gluons do not have weak or gravitational charge, they can interact with quarks, which are electrically charged, potentially allowing for photon emission through loop processes.
  • A participant questions the nature of graviton interactions with photons and gluons, suggesting that the graviton might imply a form of charge related to gravity.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of a fifth fundamental force in the context of the proton radius mystery and whether existing gauge fields exhibit patterns that could inform the behavior of new forces.
  • Some participants reference the Standard Model Lagrangian as a source for understanding interactions between particles and forces.
  • One participant highlights that the Higgs mechanism contributes to mass in the Standard Model, noting that it accounts for only a fraction of the mass of matter, with the strong force being a significant contributor.
  • Processes such as gluo-Compton scattering are mentioned as examples where gluons and photons may interact indirectly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether gluons can emit photons, with multiple competing views presented regarding the nature of particle interactions and the implications of charge properties.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of interactions at different levels (tree vs. loop), the dependence on specific theoretical frameworks, and the unresolved nature of certain interactions, particularly regarding gravity and hypothetical particles like the graviton.

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I've been googling this and can't come up with a direct answer. Can a gluon emit a photon?

I know.
1. All Standard Model particles with mass interact via the weak force.
2. All quarks and gluons interact via the strong force.
3. All quarks, charged leptons and massive weak force bosons emit and absorb photons as part of the electro-magnetic force.
4. All Standard Model particles interact via gravity as does the hypothetical graviton.

So can gluon emit a photon?

What is the rule of thumb or one you could string into your fingers for a simple law how the 4 fundamental forces (field) behave between each other? (not amongst them and the fermions for example but between the fundamental forces/gauge fields)
 
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A photon doesn't have a color charge and a gluon doesn't have an electric charge.
No. At least not at tree level, with loops it is possible of course.
star apple said:
What is the rule of thumb or one you could string into your fingers for a simple law how the 4 fundamental forces (field) behave between each other?
Gluons only interact with gluons, photons only with charged particles, and for W and Z you have to look at the terms appearing in the Lagrangian.
 
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mfb said:
A photon doesn't have a color charge and a gluon doesn't have an electric charge.
No. At least not at tree level, with loops it is possible of course.

So a gluon has no weak charge nor gravity charge.. just gluon all alone?

Gluons only interact with gluons, photons only with charged particles, and for W and Z you have to look at the terms appearing in the Lagrangian.

any reference about this terms appearing in the Lagrangian thing?

why do graviton interact with the photon, gluon and all particles.. ? it means a photon has a graviton (or GR) charge?

In the proton radius mystery, they are proposing a fifth fundamental force (field).. is there a pattern in the existing 4 fundamental gauge field and how they interact with one another so we can interpolate the behavior of a new force (or gauge field)?
 
star apple said:
So a gluon has no weak charge nor gravity charge.. just gluon all alone?
A gluon doesn't have weak charge either. It only has color charge [it's a singlet for weak interactions].
loops could potentially let gluons radiate photons as they may contain quarks [which are electromagnetically charged).

star apple said:
any reference about this terms appearing in the Lagrangian thing?
Check the Standard Model Lagrangian.

star apple said:
why do graviton interact with the photon, gluon and all particles.. ? it means a photon has a graviton (or GR) charge?
What is a graviton [which theory are you quoting]? It's not part of the SM, it exists in some exotic theories but no-one knows. However, speaking for gravity, the charge gravity sees is the energy-momentum tensor (general relativity)... as a result of this, anything that carries energy (momentum) is affected by gravity.

star apple said:
In the proton radius mystery, they are proposing a fifth fundamental force (field).. is there a pattern in the existing 4 fundamental gauge field and how they interact with one another so we can interpolate the behavior of a new force (or gauge field)?
It depends... This is part of searches, where you know your current models' predictions well, in order to search for new particles that might violate it. For example, electroweak precision measurements quite successfully predicted where the Higgs mass would have to be.
 
star apple said:
I've been googling this and can't come up with a direct answer. Can a gluon emit a photon?

I know.
1. All Standard Model particles with mass interact via the weak force.
2. All quarks and gluons interact via the strong force.
3. All quarks, charged leptons and massive weak force bosons emit and absorb photons as part of the electro-magnetic force.
4. All Standard Model particles interact via gravity as does the hypothetical graviton.

So can gluon emit a photon?

What is the rule of thumb or one you could string into your fingers for a simple law how the 4 fundamental forces (field) behave between each other? (not amongst them and the fermions for example but between the fundamental forces/gauge fields)
Ad 1. If you mean quarks, leptons, gauge bosons, and the Higgs boson(s), you are right. All mass terms in the standard-model Lagrangian are due to the interaction with the Higgs field which has a non-zero vacuum expectation value. It's why the Higgs mechanism has been introduced into the Standard Model in the first place, because it provides the possibility to describe massive particles in a gauge model where the gauge group is chiral.

Note, however, that the Higgs mechanism provides only about 2% of the mass of the matter surrounding us. The rest is of dynamical origin of the strong force. It's one of the most challenging questions of contemporary physics to understand the precise "mechanism" behind this. Quantitatively it's pretty well understood by the use of high-precision lattice-QCD calculations which postdict the hadron masses at a precision level of a few percent.

A gluon carries no electric charge. So it cannot directly convert into a photon at tree level. Of course, there are processes in the standard model where a photon is created where gluons are involved, e.g., gluo-Compton scattering (gluon + quark -> quark + photon).
 
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