Find Gaps Between Primes: Formula & Tips

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The discussion revolves around the search for formulas or methods to compute the gaps between prime numbers. Participants explore theoretical aspects, conjectures, and existing mathematical frameworks related to prime gaps, as well as the implications of such findings.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about a universal formula for computing gaps between all prime numbers.
  • Another participant notes that while there is no formula to generate prime numbers, research continues, suggesting that a formula could also yield gaps between successive primes.
  • Some participants mention the potential financial rewards associated with discovering large primes, referencing existing monetary prizes for mathematical achievements.
  • A sequence is proposed that generates arbitrarily large consecutive composite integers, which indirectly relates to the gaps between primes.
  • Several participants discuss the existence of arbitrarily large gaps between consecutive primes, with one asserting that this can be proven without advanced mathematics.
  • There is a suggestion that patterns might exist in the distribution of primes, though some participants challenge the validity of these claims and the implications of such patterns.
  • The Sieve of Eratosthenes is mentioned as a historical method for identifying prime numbers, which relates to understanding their distribution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the existence and nature of gaps between primes, with no consensus reached on a specific formula or method. Some agree on the potential for large gaps, while others question the patterns proposed in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on assumptions about the distribution of primes and the nature of gaps, which remain unresolved. The discussion includes references to conjectures and established methods without reaching definitive conclusions.

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is there any formula to compute the gaps between primes which could be true to all prime numbers?..thanks..please help!
 
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we don't have a formula to generate prime numbers , research is going on , if we have such a formula that will also give the gap between two successive primes
 
Knowing this would make you very rich, wouldn't it?
 
Mentallic said:
Knowing this would make you very rich, wouldn't it?

How?
 
phinds said:
How?

I thought I read about it somewhere, but here's a link to such a claim that money is involved with finding large primes:

https://www.eff.org/awards/coop

If there exist formulae to calculate the gaps between primes, then surely they'd be able to find a lot more primes than just searching for all the Mersenne primes.
 
There exist some monetary prizes for math papers but none of them would make you rich!
 
One can create arbitrary large consecutive composite integers by the sequence:
(k+1)! + 2, (k+1)! + 3, ...,(k+1)! + k, (k+1)! + k + 1
This sequence gives you k consecutive integers that are not prime
 
HallsofIvy said:
There exist some monetary prizes for math papers but none of them would make you rich!

Well that's the first time I've seen anyone downsize the value of hundreds of thousands of dollars (millions if you include the Millenium prizes).
 
. .Thank y0u guys f0r your kind replies. . .I just need s0me ideas to put on with my research paper. .Thanks for sharing, it would be a great help.
 
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Try oogling Bertrand's postulate, twin prime conjecture, prime number theorem.
 
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joan12 said:
. .Thank y0u guys f0r your kind replies. . .I just need s0me ideas to put on with my research paper. .Thanks for sharing, it would be a great help.

Can you prove that there are arbitrarily large gaps between consecutive primes? In other words there's a gap of a million, a gap of a billion, a gap of a zillion ... you can make the gap between consecutive primes as large as you want. It's an elementary proof, no advanced math needed.
 
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SteveL27 said:
Can you prove that there are arbitrarily large gaps between consecutive primes? In other words there's a gap of a million, a gap of a billion, a gap of a zillion ... you can make the gap between consecutive primes as large as you want. It's an elementary proof, no advanced math needed.

The gaps are not necessarily between consecutive primes, they are arbitrarily large consecutive composites.
 
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Oh boy..the minute I saw this post I thought:
Given two consecutive primes p1 and p2 the gap between then is |p1 - p2|.
:-D
 
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coolul007 said:
The gaps are not necessarily between consecutive primes, they are arbitrarily large consecutive composites.

Sorry, of course that's what I meant :-)

ps -- I see you mentioned this earlier.
 
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There should be a pattern. Primes are not multiples of 2, not multiples of 3, not multiples of 4, etc. Just take the numbers that are not multiples of anything
 
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eddybob123 said:
There should be a pattern. Primes are not multiples of 2, not multiples of 3, not multiples of 4, etc. Just take the numbers that are not multiples of anything

Its easy to say "there should be". Try finding it!
 
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eddybob123 said:
There should be a pattern. Primes are not multiples of 2, not multiples of 3, not multiples of 4, etc. Just take the numbers that are not multiples of anything

So...all we have to do is just take all of the prime numbers? Great.

Your statement isn't even true. Most prime numbers are not multiples of three...
 
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eddybob123 said:
There should be a pattern. Primes are not multiples of 2, not multiples of 3, not multiples of 4, etc. Just take the numbers that are not multiples of anything

You're right, but that doesn't give any new information.

We know 2 is prime and no other prime is divisible by 2.

We know 3 is prime and no other prime is divisible by 3.

We don't need to consider 4 because if a number is divisible by 4, it's already divisible by 2, which we checked earlier.

We know 5 is prime and no other prime is divisible by 5.

Continuing like this, we see that we could figure out the distribution of primes ... if we already knew the distribution of primes. We haven't gotten any more insight.

However, your idea is actually the basis of the famous Sieve of Eratosthenes. You start with a list of all the counting numbers from 2 onward. You draw a circle around two; then you cross out 4,6,8, and all the other multiples of 2.

Then you put a circle around 3; and cross out all the multiples of 3. Continuing like this, you end up with all the primes circled. You can use this algorithm to find all the primes below any given number. The algorithm's about 2300 years old -- and still as good as ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieve_of_Eratosthenes

There's a very cool animation on that page showing the algorithm in action.
 
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eddybob123 said:
There should be a pattern. Primes are not multiples of 2, not multiples of 3, not multiples of 4, etc. Just take the numbers that are not multiples of anything

It's akin to proving a negative proposition. "It's not one of these!" That applies to a lot of things. The closest we will come is proving the Goldbach Conjecture, that places two primes equidistant from a fixed point.
 

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