Reproduce a solution set to a linear system with 2 equations and 8 variables

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around reproducing a solution set for a linear system consisting of two equations with eight variables. The original poster presents a specific solution set and the corresponding linear equations, seeking guidance on how to derive the provided solutions from the equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the row reduction of the coefficient matrix and discuss expressing variables in terms of free variables. There is confusion regarding the relationship between the number of free variables and the provided solution set.

Discussion Status

Some participants have verified the validity of the provided solution set against the linear equations. However, there remains uncertainty about how to reproduce the solution set, with multiple interpretations of the relationships between the variables being explored. One participant expresses a lack of understanding regarding the dependency of certain variables.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem involves a specific solution set that appears to utilize fewer free variables than expected, leading to questions about the assumptions made in the problem setup. There is also mention of using Excel as a potential tool, although its relevance is unclear to some participants.

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Homework Statement


Show how the following solution set: [x1,x2,x3,x4,x5,x6,x7,x8]^T =[1,-1,0,0,0,0,0,0]^T, [0,-1,1,0,0,0,0,0]^T,[0,0,0,1,-1,0,0,0]^T,[0,0,0,-1,0,1,0,0]^T,[0,0,0,0,-1,0,1,0]^T,[0,0,0,0,0,-1,0,1] is obtained from the two linear equations x1+x2+x3-x4-x5-x6-x7-x8=0 and x4+x5+x6+x7+x8=0.


Homework Equations


none given other than the two linear equations.


The Attempt at a Solution


The two equations can be put into a matrix A= [1,1,1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,]; [0,0,0,1,1,1,1,1]. Then row 2 is added to row 1 and the following solution is obtained (where v1, v2, .. v6 are arbitrary values) x1=-v1-v2; x2= v1, x3=v2, x4= -v3 -v4 -v5 -v6; x5=v3; x6=v4; x7=v5; x8=v6. But this corresponds to a solution set different than the one provided in the question: [x1,x2,x3,x4,x5,x6,x7,x8]^T = [-1,1,0,0,0,0,0,0]^T, [-1,0,1,0,0,0,0,0]^T, [0,0,0,-1,1,0,0,0]^T, [0,0,0,-1,0,1,0,0]^T, [0,0,0,-1,0,0,1,0]^T,[0,0,0,-1,0,0,0,1]^T.

So the problem is that I don't know how to reproduce the given solution set to the given linear equations. We were also told verbally that Excel can be used to help us with this problem set, but I don't see how that can help if I can't even manually reproduce this solution.
 
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Thanks Karen. I verified that the provided solution set is valid in that it satisfies the given linear equations. But I have no idea how to obtain this solution set if it were not already given. Is there something I'm missing?
 
Put the coefficient matrix in row reduction form:

\left(\begin{array}{cccccccc}<br /> 1&amp;1&amp;1&amp;-1&amp;-1&amp;-1&amp;-1&amp;-1\\<br /> 0&amp;0&amp;0&amp;1&amp;1&amp;1&amp;1&amp;1<br /> \end{array}\right)
and subtract the second row from the first to row reduce it:

\left(\begin{array}{cccccccc}<br /> 1&amp;1&amp;1&amp;0&amp;0&amp;0&amp;0&amp;0\\<br /> 0&amp;0&amp;0&amp;1&amp;1&amp;1&amp;1&amp;1<br /> \end{array}\right)

This tells you you can solve for x1 in terms of x2 and x3, and x4 in terms of x5 through x8. Write out the solution vector (x1,x2,...,x8) in terms of the free variables than express it as a sum of vectors each multiplied by one of the free variables. Your solution will pop out.
 
I tried writing out the solution in terms of the six free variables, but my solution set is different thant the one given (sorry for poor pensmanship). I don't understand how the given solution set uses no more than two free varaibles for each of (x1, ..., x8) when x4 depends on 4 other variables.
 

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LCKurtz said:
Put the coefficient matrix in row reduction form:

\left(\begin{array}{cccccccc}<br /> 1&amp;1&amp;1&amp;-1&amp;-1&amp;-1&amp;-1&amp;-1\\<br /> 0&amp;0&amp;0&amp;1&amp;1&amp;1&amp;1&amp;1<br /> \end{array}\right)
and subtract the second row from the first to row reduce it:

\left(\begin{array}{cccccccc}<br /> 1&amp;1&amp;1&amp;0&amp;0&amp;0&amp;0&amp;0\\<br /> 0&amp;0&amp;0&amp;1&amp;1&amp;1&amp;1&amp;1<br /> \end{array}\right)

This tells you you can solve for x1 in terms of x2 and x3, and x4 in terms of x5 through x8. Write out the solution vector (x1,x2,...,x8) in terms of the free variables than express it as a sum of vectors each multiplied by one of the free variables. Your solution will pop out.

Alex1812 said:
I tried writing out the solution in terms of the six free variables, but my solution set is different thant the one given (sorry for poor pensmanship). I don't understand how the given solution set uses no more than two free varaibles for each of (x1, ..., x8) when x4 depends on 4 other variables.

The two rows in the array represent the equations:

x1+x2+x3=0
x4+x5+x6+x7+x8=0

Solving these for x1 and x4 gives:

x1=-x2-x3
x4=-x5-x6-x7-x8

so

(x1,x2,x3,x4,x5,x6,x7,x8)
=(-x2-x3,x2,x3,-x5-x6-x7-x8,x5,x6,x7,x8)

Now separate that last vector into a sum with each vector having it's own xi factored out.

[Edit] I can't read your attachment at the moment; I hope I have addressed your question.
 
Thanks for your help. I got it now.
 

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