Methane On Mars (Keeps Increasing)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the detection and implications of methane on Mars, particularly focusing on historical claims, alleged cover-ups, and the credibility of scientific findings related to Martian methane levels. Participants explore various perspectives on the evidence and the motivations behind the reporting of these findings.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that methane levels on Mars consistently rise with each measurement, suggesting a significant phenomenon that others may dismiss.
  • Another participant references a historical claim from a book that suggests methane was detected by the Viking 2 Lander but was allegedly suppressed for 27 years, raising questions about scientific integrity.
  • A different viewpoint challenges the strength of the evidence presented, questioning whether the alleged methane detection was ever substantiated and suggesting that rumors may not constitute reliable evidence.
  • One participant argues against the validity of using a quick internet search as a basis for dismissing claims about the CIA's involvement, emphasizing the need for deeper research beyond online sources.
  • There are references to specific individuals, such as Jim Martin and Tobey Owen, and their alleged connections to the CIA, which some participants view as relevant to the discussion of credibility.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of historical methane detection claims and the implications of alleged cover-ups. There is no consensus on the accuracy or significance of the evidence presented, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the potential for missing assumptions and the complexity of interpreting historical scientific data. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations of the same events and claims, indicating a need for careful consideration of sources and evidence.

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Every time a measurement is made – the methane level rises.

Most people on this Forum think I’m a loon. I’m a loon that gets it right an awful lot of the time;
From the below Physics link;
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=16799
Check wrote;
“Anyone want to take a guess?”

I wrote;
”Groundwater (or Methane)”.

Gee, I got BOTH right.

Methane dismissed by “stooge” Vittorio Formisani (what a NASA MUPPET!);
http://mainlymartian.blogs.com/semijournal/2004/04/notes_from_nice_3.html

Clouds near Viking 2 Lander’s Landing Site;
http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/03/12/index.html

That MGS (MOC) image clears up nicely some of my “outstanding” claims from 1989 (that atmospheric water vapour, ie. Clouds, was detected by Viking 2 Lander).

Previous Physics Forum discussions regarding Methane on present-day Mars;
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=17811
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=16426
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=17348
 
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Viking 2 Lander Methane Detection on Mars (Buried for 27 Years)

The following passage comes from page 190 of the book “Mars At Last!” by Mark Washburn, 1977.

“Around JPL, there were rumours that methane had been found in the Martian atmosphere – a biologically produced gas. ‘The CIA is not involved in this,’ said Tobey Owen. ‘We didn’t see any methane.’”

Well, they not only measured the methane, they BURIED the results.
Denials that lasted 27 years, doesn’t make the truth any easier for “Scientists” who proclaim they seek truth.

Jim Martin (Viking Project Leader) was on the payroll of the CIA.
Coincidence?.
 
Nommos Prime (Dogon) said:
The following passage comes from page 190 of the book “Mars At Last!” by Mark Washburn, 1977.

“Around JPL, there were rumours that methane had been found in the Martian atmosphere – a biologically produced gas. ‘The CIA is not involved in this,’ said Tobey Owen. ‘We didn’t see any methane.’”

Well, they not only measured the methane, they BURIED the results.
Denials that lasted 27 years, doesn’t make the truth any easier for “Scientists” who proclaim they seek truth. [/b]
Or maybe they didn't measure any methane and the rumors are just that - rumors. Is this the strongest evidence you can find?

Jim Martin (Viking Project Leader) was on the payroll of the CIA.
Evidence? A quick google turns up no relevant results.
 
A Quick Google Search?

A quick Google Search (you've got to be Sh**ing me).

Since when has the CIA payroll been on the Internet?

Saddam Hussein was also on the CIA payroll in the 80s, as was Manuel Noriega etc. etc.

You've got to do some RESEARCH (NOT on the Internet, you monkey).

Go back to bed...

Ask Mr Owen, whether he said the remarks or not (HE DID).
Ask Mr Martin about his military background etc. etc.

Geez...
 
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