How Is the Center of SU(2) Related to the Fundamental Group of SO(3)?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the center of SU(2) and the fundamental group of SO(3), particularly through the lens of a surjective homomorphism from SU(2) to SO(3). Participants explore the implications of this relationship in the context of algebraic topology and group theory.

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  • Some participants note that there is a surjective homomorphism from SU(2) to SO(3) and that the kernel of this homomorphism is the center of SU(2), which is Z/2Z.
  • One participant describes a path in SU(2) that connects the identity to the other element in the center, arguing that this path, when projected onto SO(3), defines a non-trivial loop in the fundamental group of SO(3).
  • Another participant questions whether a similar relationship holds when considering the complexifications of the groups, specifically asking if the center of SL(2,C) is isomorphic to the fundamental group of PSL(2,C) under a similar morphism.
  • Some participants reiterate the idea that the fundamental group of a simply connected space G, under a surjective map to another space H, corresponds to the kernel of the homomorphism.

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While there is some agreement on the existence of the surjective homomorphism and its implications, the discussion includes multiple viewpoints regarding the extension of these ideas to complexified groups, indicating that the topic remains unresolved.

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Participants express uncertainty about the generalization of the relationship between the center and fundamental groups when extending to complexifications, highlighting potential limitations in the assumptions made.

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there's a surjective homomorphism from

a : SU(2) --> SO(3)

The kernel of this homomorphism is the center of SU(2) which is Z/2Z. Now the fundamental group of SO(3) is Z/2Z. This is a general thing.

The simplest version of my question is how is the center of SU(2) related to the fundamental group SO(3).
 
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Consider a path in SU(2) running from the identity to the other element in the center. Since SU(2) is simply connected, there is essentially one such path (ie, up to homotopy). Now project this path onto SO(3) using the surjective homomorphism. Since the center of SU(2) gets mapped to the identity of SO(3), this projected path starts and ends at the identity, so is a loop, and so defines an element of the fundamental group of SO(3).

To see this is a non-trivial loop, ie, can't be continuously shrunk to the constant loop, note that if we deform this loop slightly, we can mirror this deformation of the original path in SU(2) so that our new loop is the projection of this new path. Now, if it was possible to iterate this procedure until our path was shrunk to the constant loop, the corresponding path in SU(2) would have to have shrunk to the constant path as well. But remember the loop in SO(3) always has both ends at the identity, so the corresponding path in SU(2) must always have each of its endpoints at one of the two points in the center. But it's clearly impossible that we could continuously deform a path connecting two distinct points to a loop ending at a single one of the points through a series of intermediate paths always ending at the two points: there would have to be a discontinuous jump at some point. Thus this is impossible, and the loop is a representative of the single non-trivial homotopy class of loops in SO(3).

In general, if we have a simply connected space G and a surjective map of it onto another space H, the elements of the fundamental group of H are in one to one correspondence with the sheets of this covering (ie, with the elements in the preimage of a single point). In the case where G and H are groups and the map is a homomorphism, the fundamental group is isomorphic to the kernel of the map.
 
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Thank you, that was a clear explanation. Sorry, I'm not a math guy, and prefer to just ask these questions instead of really thinking about it. I guess a follow up question would be say you look at the complexifications of the groups, is the same statement is true? The center of Sl(2,C) is isomorphic to the fundamental group of PSL(2,C) under this morphism. I think that's true, but can it be extended?

Given a surjective homorphism from a simply connected group to some other group and taking the complexifications of both the fiber group and the target group is the statement still true? That fundamental group of the complexified group in the image of the homomorphism is the same as the kernel of the homomorphism from the complexified group in the pre-image.
 
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Consider a path in SU(2) running from the identity to the other element in the center. Since SU(2) is simply connected, there is essentially one such path (ie, up to homotopy). Now project this path onto SO(3) using the surjective homomorphism. Since the center of SU(2) gets mapped to the identity of SO(3), this projected path starts and ends at the identity, so is a loop, and so defines an element of the fundamental group of SO(3).

To see this is a non-trivial loop, ie, can't be continuously shrunk to the constant loop, note that if we deform this loop slightly, we can mirror this deformation of the original path in SU(2) so that our new loop is the projection of this new path. Now, if it was possible to iterate this procedure until our path was shrunk to the constant loop, the corresponding path in SU(2) would have to have shrunk to the constant path as well. But remember the loop in SO(3) always has both ends at the identity, so the corresponding path in SU(2) must always have each of its endpoints at one of the two points in the center. But it's clearly impossible that we could continuously deform a path connecting two distinct points to a loop ending at a single one of the points through a series of intermediate paths always ending at the two points: there would have to be a discontinuous jump at some point. Thus this is impossible, and the loop is a representative of the single non-trivial homotopy class of loops in SO(3).

In general, if we have a simply connected space G and a surjective map of it onto another space H, the elements of the fundamental group of H are in one to one correspondence with the sheets of this covering (ie, with the elements in the preimage of a single point). In the case where G and H are groups and the map is a homomorphism, the fundamental group is isomorphic to the kernel of the map.

well done explanation
 
Jim Kata said:
there's a surjective homomorphism from

a : SU(2) --> SO(3)

The kernel of this homomorphism is the center of SU(2) which is Z/2Z. Now the fundamental group of SO(3) is Z/2Z. This is a general thing.

The simplest version of my question is how is the center of SU(2) related to the fundamental group SO(3).

SU(2) is simply connected - the homomorphism, SU(2) --> SO(3), is a covering projection.
 

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