What is the Outcome of Solving a Partial Differential Equation?

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The discussion centers around the nature of solutions to Partial Differential Equations (PDEs), specifically whether solving a PDE yields a complete solution or merely a partial one. Participants explore various aspects of PDEs, including methods of solution and the implications of partial derivatives.

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  • One participant asks whether solving a PDE results in a partial solution or a complete solution.
  • Another participant explains that the solution of a differential equation is the set containing all solutions, noting that different methods may yield general or specific solutions depending on the problem.
  • A participant mentions that quasilinear and nonlinear PDEs cannot be solved exactly, implying limitations in obtaining a complete solution.
  • One participant describes the method of separation of variables, illustrating how it can lead to ordinary differential equations from a PDE.
  • Another participant asserts that solving a PDE results in a function of several variables, which can be interpreted as a surface satisfying the PDE when evaluated at specific points.
  • There is a reference to the significance of PDEs in mathematics, with a quote attributed to Sophus Lie regarding their importance due to their connection to physics and the real world.
  • One participant elaborates on the concept of partial derivatives, explaining their role in determining rates of change in multi-variable functions.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of solutions to PDEs, with some suggesting that solutions can be complete while others indicate that they may only represent a subset of possible solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the completeness of solutions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the complexity of certain PDEs, particularly quasilinear and nonlinear types, which may not have exact solutions. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of what constitutes a complete solution.

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Partial Differential Equations

Can someone tell me what do we get when we solve a Partial Differential Equation? Do we get a Partial Solution or the whole thing, Thanks a lot
:rolleyes:
 
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Say you have z=f(x,y) and you work out:

[tex]\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}[/tex]

You have worked the rate of change of z with respect to x and nothing else, I think, I've only just started it lol.
 
The solution of any differential equation is the set containing all solutions. (The solution set).
There are many ways to tackle PDE's. Some will give the general answer, some will give a subset of the solution set. It all depends on the particular problem.
 
It's worth saying that the ones quasilinear and nonlinear are not integrable exactly,meaning that u cannot do anything to get the set of solutions...


Daniel.
 
the first thing i learned was separation of variables. you assume your solution u(x,y) has the form u(x,t) = f(x)g(t). then, say, for the

1-dimensional heat equation: [tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial t} = k\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2}[/tex]. rewrite it using the form above

[tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial t} - k\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2} = f(x)g'(t) - kf"(x)g(t) = 0[/tex]

fiddle with that last bit to get this:

[tex]\frac{f(x)}{kf"(x)} = \frac{g(t)}{g'(t)} = -\lambda[/tex]

from which you get 2 ORDINARY differential equations:

[tex]\frac{d^2 f}{dx^2} + \lambda f = 0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dg}{dt} - \lambda g = 0[/tex]

& you get the f & g from this system
 
Paolo said:
Partial Differential Equations

Can someone tell me what do we get when we solve a Partial Differential Equation? Do we get a Partial Solution or the whole thing, Thanks a lot
:rolleyes:

You get a solution, a function of several variables, such as f(x,y). It's a surface (for PDEs of 2 indep. variables) which if you back-plug the values of the function and the values of the derivatives (the partial ones) at any point in the domain, they will satisfy the PDE. PDEs: the crown-prince of Mathematics!

Salty
 
saltydog said:
PDEs: the crown-prince of Mathematics!

Salty

i think sophus lie said that PDEs was the most important area of math. i don't know why he said that though. maybe it's PDE's proximity to physics & the real world?
 
Paolo said:
Partial Differential Equations

Can someone tell me what do we get when we solve a Partial Differential Equation? Do we get a Partial Solution or the whole thing, Thanks a lot
:rolleyes:

Welcome Paolo.

I think Zurtex hit on the explanation you're looking for. Partial derivatives give rates of change, just like regular ones, except we are dealing with multi-variable functions. Given a function [itex]z=f(x,y)[/itex], taking the partial derivative with respect to x,

[tex]\frac{\partial{z}}{\partial{x}}[/tex]

gives the rate of change of the function z as we change x and hold y constant. Similarly, taking the partial derivative with respect to y,

[tex]\frac{\partial{z}}{\partial{y}}[/tex]

gives the rate of change of z as we vary y, holding x constant.
 

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