Can the Moon's rotation be affected by Earth's tides?

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The discussion revolves around the Moon's rotation and its relationship with Earth's tidal forces. Participants explore the reasons behind the Moon's synchronous rotation with Earth, the effects of tidal locking, and hypothetical scenarios regarding the Moon's formation and structure. The conversation includes both theoretical and conceptual elements.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the Moon does rotate, completing one rotation in about 28 days, which matches its orbital period around Earth, leading to the same side always facing Earth.
  • Others propose that tidal forces create a bulge in the Moon, resulting in a force imbalance that maintains its tidal lock with Earth.
  • One participant suggests a hypothetical scenario where the Moon was ejected from Earth, leading to its current orientation, while another speculates about the Moon having a dense core affecting its gravitational interactions.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of Earth's tides and how they interact with the Moon, noting that the solid nature of the Moon's tides contributes to its rotational state over billions of years.
  • There is a clarification that while the Moon's core may not be perfectly centered, it rotates around its center of mass, and the gravitational stability of its alignment is influenced by its shape and distribution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the specifics of the Moon's formation and the exact mechanisms behind its tidal locking. While there is some agreement on the role of tidal forces, multiple competing views and hypotheses remain unresolvable.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on assumptions about the Moon's internal structure and the nature of tidal forces, which are not fully explored or defined in the discussion. The conversation also touches on the long-term evolutionary aspects of the Moon's rotation and its interaction with Earth.

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Our moon does not turn ??

Not at all ??
One would think that after a milenia of being bombarded by comet debris and asteroids that they would have nudged it a little..?
couldnt we spin it ourselves .?
I for one am tired of looking at the same view of the moon ,every full moon same picture... :mad:
 
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The moon does turn. It completes one rotation in about 28 days. Since it also completes one orbit in about 28 days, we see the same side.

Given enough time and without outside interference, all the planets rotation periods (including Earth) would match their orbit period around the Sun and all of the planets' moons would do likewise. The Sun would be one such example of outside interference that would inhibit the Moon's rotation and orbit periods around the Earth from 'synching up'. Likewise, the Moon would be an example of outside interference that would inhibit the Earth from synching up it's rotation and orbit period around the Sun.
 
But why: tidal forces make the moon bulge at the center, which in turn causes a force imbalance that keeps it tidally locked with the earth.
 
Is it possible that :

1) moon got shot out of Earth in the beginning of solar system and ever since it faces Earth since it was slowly detached from Earth without allowing it to rotate in any other sides ?

2) moon has a dense core that is slightly off its centre, due to which only one side that is denser is facing the Earth's gravity ?
 
No, Russ is right about the reason for tidal lock (although your second reason is kind of right).

Think about the tides of the ocean and you'll realize he's right. High tide occurs on the Moon facing side of the Earth and the opposite side from the Moon.

Same thing happens with the planet's or moon's interior, but much, much, slower. Take Earth for example - any minisule deformity caused by the Sun's gravity at 0 degrees longitude when it's local noon over 0 degrees is approximately corrected when it's 6:00 local time over 0 degrees. However, unless the orbiting object is of a perfectly uniform distribution, one alignment of the planet is just slightly more stable gravitationally than any others, so the corrections are never really perfect.

If the planet were rod shaped instead of spherical, the effect would be much more obvious. The long axis of any orbiting object tends to align itself with the object's radius.

Your second answer is only kind of right because the Moon's going to rotate about it's center of mass, not off to the side of it. But your general concept is right.
 
Following up on BobG's look at Earth's tides.

Earth's tides follow the Moon around our planet. Or more accurately, the tides don't move while the Earth spins underneath them every 24 hours.

What would happen to those tides if all the water in the oceans froze instantly? They would try to follow the Moon, but, being solid, they would have to drag the rest of the Earth with them. The drag would cause the Earth to spin spin down until the tidal bulges were aligned with the Moon.

The Moon already is solid. It still has tides, but they're solid - inches not feet or yards. But it's enough. After billions of years, the Moon's rotation has slowed until any bulges are aligned with Earth.
 

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