Simulating Closed Timelike Curves through Quantum Optics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the experimental simulation of Closed Timelike Curves (CTC) using quantum optics, with participants exploring the implementation details and theoretical implications of the setup described in a specific paper. The conversation touches on the complexities of the experimental protocol and the relationship between quantum teleportation and CTCs.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the implementation of CTCs in the quantum optics circuit, despite having a background in quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the initial inquiry, suggesting that the setup involves sophisticated theory.
  • A further reply seeks clarification on whether the question pertains to the protocol or the optical setup, providing an analogy related to postselection in quantum teleportation.
  • This analogy suggests that in certain cases, the state to be teleported may already exist, drawing a parallel to the concept of CTCs.
  • Concerns are raised about the authors' claims regarding paradoxical situations, with one participant noting that attempts to create such paradoxes result in probabilities that approach zero, thus preventing their realization.
  • Participants agree that the connection to CTCs in the paper may not be rigorously established, leading to confusion in understanding the paper's arguments.
  • One participant mentions a preference for arXiv over journal articles due to accessibility issues, despite having access to APS journals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the connection to CTCs is not rigorously established, but there is no consensus on the clarity of the original question or the specifics of the experimental setup.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the potential ambiguity in the experimental protocol and the theoretical assumptions underlying the connection between quantum teleportation and CTCs, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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This paper experimentally simulates Closed Timelike Curves (CTC) through quantum optics experiment. Since I have no experience/background in this, I found it hard to understand how exactly the CTC is implemented in the circuit. [Note: I do understand QM, so no need to explain this].
 
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Is the question not clear?
 
phys_student1 said:
Is the question not clear?

It's a pretty sophisticated setup with state of the art theory involved.
 
I am not exactly sure what you are asking. Is it about the protocol used or the actual optical setup needed?

In a nutshell: It works a bit like the old joke about how a stonemason creates a statue of a lion: You start with a huge stone cube and just remove everything which does not look like a lion.

The equivalent here is postselection. In quantum teleportation, Alice tries to get an unknown state over to Bob, but they need to exchange one classical bit of information in order to do so: This is the unitarity transformation Bob needs to apply to his side. Now there may be a certain probability that this unitary transformation is simply identity, so Bob does not need to do anything to get the correct state. So in some sense, Bob already had the state which should be teleported to him before the teleportation took place. Postselection now means that the experimentalists just pick all the measurement runs, where the unitary transformation Bob has to apply indeed was the identity operation. This is not controllable, so they just throw many runs of the experiment away - the stonemason analogy so to speak. As in these post-selected cases, the state was already there before the teleportation took place, the authors consider it as analogous to a CTC.

When they try to create a paradoxical situation (grandfather paradox), they just find that it does not work. If they try to end up in a paradoxical situation, the probability that the unitary transformation Bob needs to apply to end up in that state just goes to zero and the paradox will never be realized.

By the way, the journal article in PRL is somewhat better and more precise than the article on ArXiv you linked to. In my opinion the connection to CTC is somewhat handwaving.
 
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Cthugha, thank you! That was very clear.

I agree that the connection to CTC is not really a rigorous one, which is why I was confused while reading the paper.

P.S. I have (in my university) subscription to APS journals, but I prefer arXiv because some members don't have access.
 

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