Neutron Star Evolution and Possible Blackhole Formation in Proton Star Collapse

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The discussion revolves around the evolution of neutron stars from proton star collapse and the potential for further collapse into black holes. Participants explore the relationship between neutron stars and black holes, the decay of neutrons, and the implications of stellar evolution on galactic structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether neutron stars are the primary outcome of proton star collapse and what the subsequent evolutionary stages might be.
  • There is a suggestion that neutron stars do not decay, leading to the idea that they could be more numerous than black holes due to the processes that create them.
  • One participant posits that the majority of stars end up as white dwarfs rather than neutron stars, indicating a potential misunderstanding of stellar evolution pathways.
  • Another participant introduces a conceptual framework involving the universe's phases of expansion, contraction, and equilibrium, questioning how these dynamics affect the formation of neutron stars and black holes.
  • Concerns are raised about the mass requirements for neutron stars and black holes, with some suggesting that neutron stars could merge and potentially lead to black hole formation depending on their combined mass.
  • There is a discussion about the role of neutron stars in galactic cores and whether they contribute more significantly to galactic mass than black holes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the evolutionary pathways of stars, the relationship between neutron stars and black holes, and the implications of cosmic dynamics. No consensus is reached on these topics.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge a lack of empirical data regarding the population of neutron stars versus black holes and the specifics of stellar evolution processes. There are also unresolved questions about the definitions and implications of the phases of the universe.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying astrophysics, stellar evolution, and the dynamics of galaxies, particularly in the context of neutron stars and black holes.

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Are Neutron Stars the major factors of Proton Stars?

:http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0506092

Why do Neutron Stars evolve from Proton Star collapse, and what is the next evolving stage?..if any?

:http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0506100

Can a further collapse occur that does 'not' produce a Blackhole form Neutron Stars?..if Neutron Stars are collecting around all Galactic Cores, does all the Neutrons that go into the actual Mass decay at a normal 'neutron-decay' rates?
 
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Can a further collapse occur that does 'not' produce a Blackhole form Neutron Stars?..if Neutron Stars are collecting around all Galactic Cores, does all the Neutrons that go into the actual Mass decay at a normal 'neutron-decay' rates?
There doesn't appear to be any kind of object between a neutron star and a black hole. Neutrons in a neutron star do not decay.
 
mathman said:
There doesn't appear to be any kind of object between a neutron star and a black hole. Neutrons in a neutron star do not decay.

Thats what I understand the case to be?..but I was not quite sure.

So all the Neutrons in Neutron Stars remain forever within those Stars?..they do not get transferred by any process, so there should be an enormous number of actual Neutron Stars in Existence, being that the process they emerge from is more likely to produce Neutron Stars over Blackhole Holes?

The ratio of Stars that can end up as Neutron Stars far outway the 'specific' large mass Stars that end up as Blackholes?..so this means that since the first Stars appeared in the early Universe, there should be a rather greater number of Neutron Stars due to the great number of ordinary Stars that have reached the stage outside of main sequence? is there any data confirming this fact?

Thanks.
 
I don't have any census figures. However, average stars and smaller (like our sun) eventually end up as white dwarfs, not neutron stars.
 
mathman said:
I don't have any census figures. However, average stars and smaller (like our sun) eventually end up as white dwarfs, not neutron stars.

Thanks mathman, I understand the evolution of Main Sequence Stars(average), but there seems to be a contradiction, actually its more of a lack of understanding on my part, but nevertheless.lets say that the Universe has variable Phase's, Time-stamped into three evolving Dynamical process:

Expansion, Contraction and Equilibrium/Steady State.

Now as far as I understand, the MS has a specific timeline, it needs a epoch of certain time to produce the vast number of popular Stars, which would have to 'slot' into a period of Expansion-Contraction-SteadyState, but if there are ALL three Dynamical process's, there will be a governing epoch that will favour MS-Stars, the Steady State for instance. Now if the main sequence Stars are themselves, evolving to white dwarfs, then this would imply that most Stars are 'smaller' (obvious..that why their called dwarfs), initially than those Stars that end up as Neutron Stars?..Neutron Stars should have their initial Mass of such a great size,that they should be remnants of an EARLY Universal time?..they should not be around this epoch!

Early Stars have a starting Mass vastly greater than current Stars, but the Early Universe was unstable, the Expansion process's were not the environment that could sustain Stars over long periods, the only process I know of Stars Growing..or get increased Mass is when they merge, or combine, thus Stars that merge and get Larger and Larger..until their Mass is Sufficient enough to cause the Neutron Star to be the end product , so Neutron Stars need Steady State, but the Steady State would then imply a longer Time for more Neutron merging Stars?

Does Neutron Stars that merge produce Blackholes?, or would they actually be more likely to attract vunerable Main Sequence Stars?

It would seem that Galactic Blackholes would be less likely, but Galactic Core be more than likely the location of Neutron Stars, which would imply that Galaxies cores, 'grow' by fact of Neutron Star merging?

All the mass at the Galactic core may be the result of Neutron Stars, rather than an actual Blackholes, because of the 'Steady State' process of Galactic Stellar evolution TIME process's?
 
Again, I don't have detailed figures. However, for a star to become a neutron star. it doesn't have to be too much bigger than our sun. Black hole end points start from somewhat larger stars. If neutron stars collide, whether or not it ends up as a black hole depends simply on the combined size.

I don't understand what you mean by expansion-contraction-steady state? Current theory has the universe expanding and also the expansion is speeding up.
 

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