1 significant digit but the answer doesn't make sense

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The discussion revolves around the application of significant figures in a physics problem involving frequency, specifically addressing the conversion of a value of 425.16 Hz to a representation with one significant digit. Participants express confusion regarding the implications of significant figures based on the initial value provided (400 Hz) and the expectations for rounding.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of significant digits, questioning whether the initial value of 400 Hz should be interpreted as having additional significant figures. There is a suggestion to consider the rounding of the frequency to either 425 Hz or 430 Hz, but concerns are raised about the strict marking criteria for significant figures.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations of how significant figures should be applied to the problem. Some participants express frustration over the lack of clarity in the original question regarding significant figures, while others suggest assumptions that could clarify the situation. No consensus has been reached, but several productive points have been raised regarding the interpretation of the initial values.

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Participants note the absence of information regarding measurement uncertainties, which complicates the application of significant figures. There is an acknowledgment that the original problem may not have provided sufficient detail to determine the correct number of significant digits.

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Homework Statement
A train on a straight track sounds a 400 Hz horn when passing a parked car on
the road. The train is moving at 20 m/s and the temperature is 10°C. Find the
apparent frequency of the horn for a person sitting inside the car when the train
is approaching and when the train is moving away
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my problem is not how you get the answer... 425.16Hz for approaching. it has to be do the right amount of significant digits.

so it should be 1 significant digit which would mean 400hz. which would make no sense since i started with 400hz.

i'm assuming they should have written the question with a decimal after one of the numbers so you would be looking at 2 or 3 significant digits in your final answer.
 
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Just call it 425Hz, or if you really want 430Hz. I don't think anyone will really care too much about it!
 
i got no problem with that but they are marking on the correct significant digits. so you just can't but whatever you want.
 
john merrick said:
i got no problem with that but they are marking on the correct significant digits. so you just can't but whatever you want.
I think most likely you are supposed to start w/ the assumption that the 400 implies 400.0, but I could be wrong. If that's not the case, then all bets are off since you have no way of knowing whether either of the 0's in the 400 are significant or not.
 
I feel it's a bit harsh to deduct points for incorrect significant figures, considering they don't tell you anything about the uncertainties in those measurements.

If you take it at face value, then I guess you just have to assume that ##f_0 = (400 \pm 1) \text{Hz}## and ##v = (20 \pm 1) \mathrm{ms^{-1}}##. What was the error on the value you used for the speed of sound?

Propagate those through quickly, and check what the error on ##f## is, and print a suitable number of significant figures.
 

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