MHB 12.3.63 Determine the smallest distance between point and a line

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The discussion focuses on determining the smallest distance between a point \( P(1,1,1) \) and a line \( L \) through the origin with direction vector \( \langle -4, -5, 8 \rangle \). The distance formula is derived using vector notation, leading to a general formula for the distance between a point and a line. The participants explore the calculation of the square of the distance and eventually derive the minimum distance using the cross product of vectors. The final result for the minimum distance is expressed as \( D_{\min} = \sqrt{\frac{314}{105}} \).
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$\text{Determine the smallest distance between point}$
$$P(1,1,1)$$
$\textsf{ and the line $L$ through the origin $L$ has the direction}$
$$\langle -4,-5,8 \rangle$$

ok just barely had time to post this
but was ?? about direction

presume going off of this

$\textit{Distance between point and line }$
$\textit{ Where A,B, and C are coeficients of line equation And M, N are coordinates of a point}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
d&=\frac{|Am+Bn+C|}{\sqrt{A^2+B^2}}
\end{align*}
 
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A vector along the line is given by:

$$\vec{v}=\left[\begin{array}{c}-4t \\ -5t \\ 8t \end{array}\right]$$

So, what is the square of the distance between a point on the line with parameter $t$ and the point $(1,1,1)$?
 
MarkFL said:
A vector along the line is given by:

$$\vec{v}=\left[\begin{array}{c}-4t \\ -5t \\ 8t \end{array}\right]$$

So, what is the square of the distance between a point on the line with parameter $t$ and the point $(1,1,1)$?

ok not real sure what you mean by this

$\sqrt{(-4)^2+(-5)^2+(8)^2}$ ?
 
karush said:
ok not real sure what you mean by this

$\sqrt{(-4)^2+(-5)^2+(8)^2}$ ?

Let's back up a bit...a point on the line is:

$$(-4t,-5t,8t)$$

And the given point is:

$$(1,1,1)$$

What is the square of the distance between these two points?
 
sorry this looks like duplicate post done much earlier
somehow it never got recorded on the HW

mod can delete :(
 
karush said:
sorry this looks like duplicate post done much earlier
somehow it never got recorded on the HW

mod can delete :(

Yes, this is a duplicate of the thread posted here:

http://mathhelpboards.com/calculus-10/231-12-3-65-determine-smallest-distance-between-point-line-22060.html

The method used there was what I had in mind for finding the required distance.

However, let's take this opportunity to develop a general formula. Suppose we have a line described by the two points:

$$P_1\left(x_1,y_1,z_1\right),\,P_2\left(x_2,y_2,z_2\right)$$

And the point:

$$P_0\left(x_0,y_0,z_0\right)$$

And so a vector along the line can be given as:

$$\left[\begin{array}{c}x_1+\left(x_2-x_1\right)t \\ y_1+\left(y_2-y_1\right)t \\ z_1+\left(z_2-z_1\right)t \end{array}\right]$$

And thus, the square of the distance $D$ between a point on the line with parameter $t$ and the given point is:

$$f(t)=D^2(t)=\left(\left(x_1-x_0\right)+\left(x_2-x_1\right)t\right)^2+\left(\left(y_1-y_0\right)+\left(y_2-y_1\right)t\right)^2+\left(\left(z_1-z_0\right)+\left(z_2-z_1\right)t\right)^2$$

Expanding, we get:

$$f(t)=\left(\left(x_1-x_0\right)^2+\left(y_1-y_0\right)^2+\left(z_1-z_0\right)^2\right)+2\left(\left(x_1-x_0\right)\left(x_2-x_1\right)+\left(y_1-y_0\right)\left(y_2-y_1\right)+\left(z_1-z_0\right)\left(z_2-z_1\right)\right)t+\left(\left(x_2-x_1\right)^2+\left(y_2-y_1\right)^2+\left(z_2-z_1\right)^2\right)t^2$$

Using vector notation, this becomes:

$$f(t)=\left|\vec{P_1}-\vec{P_0}\right|^2+2\left(\vec{P_1}-\vec{P_0}\right)\cdot\left(\vec{P_2}-\vec{P_1}\right)t+\left|\vec{P_2}-\vec{P_1}\right|^2t^2$$

Differentiating w.r.t $t$ and equating the result to 0 and solving for $t$, we find:

$$t=-\frac{\left(\vec{P_1}-\vec{P_0}\right)\cdot\left(\vec{P_2}-\vec{P_1}\right)}{\left|\vec{P_2}-\vec{P_1}\right|^2}$$

Observing that $f$ is a parabolic function opening upwards, we can then state:

$$f_{\min}=f\left(-\frac{\left(\vec{P_1}-\vec{P_0}\right)\cdot\left(\vec{P_2}-\vec{P_1}\right)}{\left|\vec{P_2}-\vec{P_1}\right|^2}\right)=\left|\vec{P_1}-\vec{P_0}\right|^2-\frac{\left(\left(\vec{P_1}-\vec{P_0}\right)\cdot\left(\vec{P_2}-\vec{P_1}\right)\right)^2}{\left|\vec{P_2}-\vec{P_1}\right|^2}$$

$$f_{\min}=\frac{\left|\vec{P_1}-\vec{P_0}\right|^2\left|\vec{P_2}-\vec{P_1}\right|^2-\left(\left(\vec{P_1}-\vec{P_0}\right)\cdot\left(\vec{P_2}-\vec{P_1}\right)\right)^2}{\left|\vec{P_2}-\vec{P_1}\right|^2}$$

Using the vector quadruple product, we may write:

$$f_{\min}=\left(\frac{\left|\left(\vec{P_2}-\vec{P_1}\right)\times\left(\vec{P_1}-\vec{P_0}\right)\right|}{\left|\vec{P_2}-\vec{P_1}\right|}\right)^2$$

Hence:

$$D_{\min}=\frac{\left|\left(\vec{P_2}-\vec{P_1}\right)\times\left(\vec{P_1}-\vec{P_0}\right)\right|}{\left|\vec{P_2}-\vec{P_1}\right|}$$

Now, in the given problem, we may take:

$$\vec{P_0}=\langle 1,1,1 \rangle$$

$$\vec{P_1}=\langle 0,0,0 \rangle$$

$$\vec{P_2}=\langle -4,-5,8 \rangle$$

And so we have:

$$\vec{P_2}-\vec{P_1}=\langle -4,-5,8 \rangle$$

$$\vec{P_1}-\vec{P_0}=\langle -1,-1,-1 \rangle$$

And we then find:

$$\left(\vec{P_2}-\vec{P_1}\right)\times\left(\vec{P_1}-\vec{P_0}\right)=\langle 13,-12,-1 \rangle$$

So, we have:

$$D_{\min}=\sqrt{\frac{13^2+12^2+1^2}{4^2+5^2+8^2}}=\sqrt{\frac{314}{105}}\quad\checkmark$$
 
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