15.2.30 Where R is the is the region in Q1 & Q4

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a double integral over a specific region, denoted as \( R \), which is described as being in the first and fourth quadrants and bounded by a semicircle of radius 2 centered at the origin. The integral in question is \( I = \iint\limits_{R} x^4 y \, dA \).

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how the region \( R \) can be a semicircle, with one suggesting that quadrants are numbered anticlockwise, indicating that the semicircle lies to the right of the \( y \)-axis.
  • There is a clarification that the region \( R \) is indeed the right-hand half of the circle of radius 2, bounded by the semicircle and the \( y \)-axis between \( (0,-2) \) and \( (0,2) \).
  • Participants express confusion regarding the function \( x^4 y \) and its transformation into polar coordinates, with one noting it becomes \( r^5 \cos^4 \theta \sin \theta \).
  • There is a proposal to form the double integral using polar coordinates, with a participant attempting to set up the integral limits but receiving feedback that their approach contains errors.
  • Another participant corrects the limits of integration for the polar coordinates, stating that \( R \) consists of points satisfying \( 0 \leq r \leq 2 \) and \( -\pi/2 \leq \theta \leq \pi/2 \), leading to a revised integral setup.
  • There is a back-and-forth regarding the correct power of \( r \) in the integral, with one participant asserting it should be \( r^6 \) based on the transformations involved.
  • One participant expresses lingering confusion about the problem, indicating a lack of clarity on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the setup of the integral, with multiple competing views on the correct limits and transformations involved. Confusion persists regarding the function and its integration.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved mathematical steps in the transformation to polar coordinates and the setup of the double integral. There is also ambiguity in the understanding of the region \( R \) and its boundaries.

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$\textsf{ Evaluate the following integral }$
$\textsf{where $R$ is the is the region in $Q1$ & $Q4$}$
$\textsf{bounded by the semicircle of radius 2 centered at (0,0).}\\$

\begin{align*}\displaystyle
I&=\iint\limits_{R} x^4 y \, dA
\end{align*}
how can this produce a semicircle?
 
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Re: 15.2.30 where R is the is the region in Q1 & Q4

karush said:
$\textsf{ evaluate the following integral }$
$\textsf{where $r$ is the is the region in $q1$ & $q4$}$
$\textsf{bounded by the semicircle of radius 2 centered at (0,0).}\\$

\begin{align*}\displaystyle
i&=\iint\limits_{r} x^4 y \, da
\end{align*}
how can this produce a semicircle?
I guess the quadrants are numbered in an anticlockwise order, starting with the positive quadrant. So the semicircle would be the half of the circle that lies to the right of the $y$-axis.
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Re: 15.2.30 where R is the is the region in Q1 & Q4

​ok I don' t see where a half circle comes from
 
Re: 15.2.30 where R is the is the region in Q1 & Q4

karush said:
​ok I don' t see where a half circle comes from
The circle is the one given in the question, the circle of radius 2 centred at the origin. So you want the right-hand half of that circle. The region $R$ is bounded by that semicircle together with the part of the $y$-axis between $(0,-2)$ and $(0,2)$.
 
Re: 15.2.30 where R is the is the region in Q1 & Q4

yes but what is $x^4y$ ?
 
Re: 15.2.30 where R is the is the region in Q1 & Q4

karush said:
yes but what is $x^4y$ ?
That is the function that you want to integrate over the region $R$. You will want to use polar coordinates, so $x^4y$ will become $r^5\cos^4\theta\sin\theta$. Form the double integral of that function over $R$.
 
Re: 15.2.30 where R is the is the region in Q1 & Q4

Opalg said:
That is the function that you want to integrate over the region $R$. You will want to use polar coordinates, so $x^4y$ will become $r^5\cos^4\theta\sin\theta$. Form the double integral of that function over $R$.

OK I'm stabbing in the dark on this one:confused:

$\displaystyle\int_{0}^{1} \int_{2\pi/3}^{\pi/2} r^5\cos^4\theta\sin\theta \,dx\,dy$
 
Re: 15.2.30 where R is the is the region in Q1 & Q4

karush said:
OK I'm stabbing in the dark on this one:confused:

$\displaystyle\int_{0}^{1} \int_{2\pi/3}^{\pi/2} r^5\cos^4\theta\sin\theta \,dx\,dy$
Sorry to have to say it, but just about everything is wrong there.

The region $R$ is the right-hand half of a disc of radius 2 centred at the origin. In terms of polar coordinates, $R$ consists of the points whose polar coordinates $[r,\theta]$ satisfy $0\leqslant r \leqslant 2$ and $-\pi/2 \leqslant\theta\leqslant \pi/2.$ That gives you the limits for the integral, namely $$\int_0^2 \!\!\!\ldots\, dr$$ for the $r$-integral and $$\int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2}\!\!\!\ldots\,d\theta$$ for the $\theta$-integral.

Finally, when you convert from Cartesian coordinates to polar coordinates in a double integral, $dx\,dy$ becomes $r\,dr\,d\theta$.

So your integral should be $$\int_0^2\int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2} r^6\cos^4\theta\sin\theta \,dr\,d\theta.$$
 
Re: 15.2.30 where R is the is the region in Q1 & Q4

Opalg said:
So your integral should be $$\int_0^2\int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2} r^6\cos^4\theta\sin\theta \,dr\,d\theta.$$

do you mean $r^5$ ?
 
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Re: 15.2.30 where R is the is the region in Q1 & Q4

karush said:
do you mean $r^5$ ?
No, it's $r^6$. Four of the six come from $x^4 = r^4\cos^4\theta$, and then there is one each from $y = r\sin\theta$ and $dx\,dy = r\,dr\,d\theta.$
 
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Re: 15.2.30 where R is the is the region in Q1 & Q4

ok, I'm still kinda foggy on this
but similar problems will be soon😎
 

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