17.1.08 y''+100y=0 Find the general solution of the given equation?

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The discussion revolves around finding the general solution to the second-order linear ordinary differential equation given by \( y'' + 100y = 0 \). Participants explore the characteristic equation and its roots, discussing the implications for the solution form. The conversation includes technical reasoning and hypothetical variations of the equation.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the auxiliary equation is \( x^2 + 100x = 0 \) and finds a root of \( x = -100 \), which is later corrected by others.
  • Another participant correctly identifies the characteristic equation as \( r^2 + 100 = 0 \) and finds the roots to be \( r = \pm 10i \).
  • Several participants propose the general solution as \( y = c_1 \cos(10x) + c_2 \sin(10x) \), confirming the form derived from the complex roots.
  • A participant introduces a hypothetical variation of the ODE, \( y'' - 2y' + 11y = 0 \), and asks about the solution for this case, leading to a discussion on handling complex roots.
  • There is a clarification about the formation of the characteristic equation and the role of differentiation order in determining the characteristic variable.
  • One participant explains the derivation of the characteristic equation by assuming a solution of the form \( y(x) = e^{rx} \) and discusses the implications of this approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the form of the solution for the original equation, but there is some confusion regarding the formulation of the characteristic equation and the handling of complex roots. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the hypothetical equation introduced.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the correct formulation of the characteristic equation, particularly in relation to the presence of derivatives. There are also unresolved points regarding the implications of complex roots in different scenarios.

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$\tiny{17.1.08}$
$\textrm{ Find the general solution of the given equation?}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
y''+100y&=0
\end{align*}
$\textit{The auxiliary equation is:}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
x^2+100x&=0\\
x(x+100)&=0\\
x&=-100
\end{align*}
$\textit{Answer by EMH}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
y&=c_1 \cos(10x)+c_2 \sin(10x)
\end{align*}
ok tried looking at some examples again but not?

this doesn't have imaginary roots
 
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The characteristic equation is:

$$r^2+100=r^2+10^2=0$$

Thus:

$$r=\pm10i$$ :D
 
so
$$y=c_1 \cos(10 x) + c_2 \sin(10 x))$$
 
karush said:
so
$$y=c_1 \cos(10 x) + c_2 \sin(10 x))$$

Yes, what if the ODE had been:

$$y''-2y'+11y=0$$

Here you find the roots of the characteristic equation to be:

$$r=1\pm\sqrt{10}i$$

What would the solution then be?
 
You are asking Karush whether he can answer that, not because you can't do it, right?
 
HallsofIvy said:
You are asking Karush whether he can answer that, not because you can't do it, right?

Yes, I wanted to see if the OP knew how to handle characteristic roots that have both real and imaginary components (complex roots in general). :D
 
MarkFL said:
The characteristic equation is:

$$r^2+100=r^2+10^2=0$$

Thus:

$$r=\pm10i$$ :D

isn't it??

$r^2+10^2 r =0$
 
karush said:
isn't it??

$r^2+10^2 r =0$

No, when creating the characteristic equation the order of differentiation translates to the exponent on the characteristic variable, i.e.:

$$y^{(n)}(x)\implies r^n$$

Therefore $y(x)\implies r^0=1$.
 
You can get the "characteristic equation" for a linear differential equation with constant coefficients by looking for a solution of the form y(x)= e^{rx}.

Then y'(x)= re^{rx} and y''(x)= r^2e^{rx}. So y''+ 100y= r^2e^{rx}+ 100e^{rx}= (r^2+ 100)e^{rx}= 0. Because e^{rx} is never 0, we must have r^2+ 100= 0 which has roots \pm 10i.

You only have an "r" in the characteristic equation when there is a y' in the differential equation.
 
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