-17.2.0 Solve y''+7y'+10y=80 by undetermined coefficients.

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation \( y'' + 7y' + 10y = 80 \) using the method of undetermined coefficients. Participants explore the identification of the homogeneous and particular solutions, as well as the implications of the auxiliary equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant identifies the auxiliary equation and its roots, suggesting that the general solution may be related to these roots.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the homogeneous solution \( y_h \) and the form of the particular solution \( y_p \).
  • Several participants propose that the homogeneous solution takes the form \( y_h = c_1 e^{-5x} + c_2 e^{-2x} \) and discuss the nature of the particular solution.
  • One participant suggests that since the right-hand side of the equation is a constant (80), the particular solution should also be a constant, leading to \( y_p = A \).
  • Another participant confirms that substituting \( y_p = 8 \) into the original equation yields a valid solution.
  • There is a light-hearted exchange regarding the calculations, with one participant expressing amusement at the process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the form of the homogeneous solution and the nature of the particular solution, but there are variations in how they express these solutions. The discussion remains somewhat informal, with some playful banter, but no significant disagreements are noted regarding the mathematical approach.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the steps leading to the particular solution and the implications of the constant term on the overall solution.

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Readers interested in differential equations, particularly those learning about the method of undetermined coefficients, may find this discussion beneficial.

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$\tiny{17.2.0}$
$\textrm{ Solve the given equation by the method of undetermined coefficients.}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
y''+7y'+10y&=80\\
\end{align*}
$\textrm{auxilary equation}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
r^2+7r+10&=0\\
(r+2)(r+5)&=0\\
r&=-2,-5
\end{align*}

then is it the general equation?

this is the last one of the undetermined coefficients problems
 
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You have correctly identified the auxiliary roots...so:

a) What is the homogeneous solution $y_h$?

b) What form will the particular solution $y_p$ take?
 
$\textrm{ Solve the given equation by the method of undetermined coefficients.}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle y''+7y'+10y&=80\\\end{align*}
$\textrm{auxilary equation}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
r^2+7r+10&=0\\
(r+2)(r+5)&=0\\
r&=-2,-5
\end{align*}
$y_h=c^{-5x}+c^{-2x}+8$
$y_p=Ax^2+Bx + 8$
I think?
 
karush said:
$\textrm{ Solve the given equation by the method of undetermined coefficients.}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle y''+7y'+10y&=80\\\end{align*}
$\textrm{auxilary equation}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
r^2+7r+10&=0\\
(r+2)(r+5)&=0\\
r&=-2,-5
\end{align*}
$y_h=c^{-5x}+c^{-2x}+8$

I think?

What we would have is:

$$y_h(x)=c_1e^{-5x}+c_2e^{-2x}$$

Okay, now what form will the particular solution take?
 
\begin{align*}\displaystyle y''+7y'+10y&=80\\\end{align*}
$\textrm{auxilary equation}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
r^2+7r+10&=0\\
(r+2)(r+5)&=0\\
r&=-2,-5
\end{align*}
$y_h=c_1 e^{-5x}+c_2 e^{-2x}$
$y_p=A $
$y_p^´=0$
$y_p^{´´}=0$
 
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves. :D To determine the form for the particular solution, we look at the RHS of the original ODE:

$$y''+7y'+10y=80$$

We see it (80) is a constant, and we also note that no term in the homogeneous solution is a constant, and so the particular solution takes the form:

$$y_p(x)=A$$

The particular solution will be a constant.

And thus:

$$y_p'(x)=0$$

$$y_p''(x)=0$$

Substituting into the ODE, what do we obtain?
 
$10y=80$
$y=10$
 
karush said:
$10y=80$
$y=10$

Upon substitution, we have:

$$0+7(0)+10A=80\implies A=8$$

And so we have:

$$y_p(x)=8$$

And so our general solution is:

$$y(x)=y_h(x)+y_p(x)=c_1e^{-5x}+c_2e^{-2x}+8$$

And there's our 8...:D
 
I'm beside myself😎
 
  • #10
If you think \frac{80}{10}= 10 you certainly are.
 

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