-2.2.20 IVP interval....trig subst y^2(1-x^2)^{1/2} \,dy=\arcsin{x}\,dx

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The discussion revolves around solving an initial value problem (IVP) involving a differential equation with a trigonometric substitution. Participants explore the separation of variables, integration techniques, and the implications of the initial condition.

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  • Participants present the initial value problem and separate variables to facilitate integration.
  • Some participants suggest using a trigonometric substitution, specifically letting $\theta = \arcsin(x)$, to simplify the integration process.
  • There are multiple approaches to integrating the right-hand side, with some participants expressing preferences for different methods.
  • One participant mentions the boundary method as a preferred approach, indicating a potential divergence in techniques used.
  • Concerns about the complexity of trigonometric substitutions are expressed by one participant, highlighting the challenges faced in these types of problems.

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There is no consensus on the best method for solving the problem, as participants propose different approaches and express varying levels of comfort with trigonometric substitutions.

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Some participants do not fully resolve the integration steps, and there are indications of missing assumptions or dependencies on specific techniques that may affect the solution.

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(a) find solution of initial value and (c) interval
$$\quad\displaystyle
y^2(1-x^2)^{1/2} \,dy = \arcsin{x}\,dx,
\quad y(0) = 1$$
separate
$$y^2 \,dy = \frac{\arcsin{x}}{(1-x^2)^{1/2}}\,dx,$$
Integrate
\begin{align*}
\int y^2 \,dy& = \int\frac{\arcsin{x}}{\sqrt{(1-x^2)}}\,dx,
\end{align*}
ok I assume a trig substitution to solvebook answer

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karush said:
(a) find solution of initial value and (c) interval
$$\quad\displaystyle
y^2(1-x^2)^{1/2} \,dy = \arcsin{x}\,dx,
\quad y(0) = 1$$
separate
$$y^2 \,dy = \frac{\arcsin{x}}{(1-x^2)^{1/2}}\,dx,$$
Integrate
\begin{align*}
\int y^2 \,dy& = \int\frac{\arcsin{x}}{\sqrt{(1-x^2)}}\,dx,
\end{align*}
ok I assume a trig substitution to solve

Yes, I would let:

$$\theta=\arcsin(x)\implies x=\sin(\theta)\implies dx=\cos(\theta)\,d\theta$$

And then we have after simplification, and using the given boundaries:

$$\int_1^y u^2\,du=\int_0^{\arcsin(x)} v\,dv$$

$$\frac{1}{3}(y^3-1)=\frac{1}{2}\arcsin^2(x)$$

$$y^3=\frac{3}{2}\arcsin^2(x)+1$$

$$y=\left(\frac{3}{2}\arcsin^2(x)+1\right)^{\Large\frac{1}{3}}$$
 
sure like the boundary method

most examples just plow thru another 5 tedious steps
 
karush said:
(a) find solution of initial value and (c) interval
$$\quad\displaystyle
y^2(1-x^2)^{1/2} \,dy = \arcsin{x}\,dx,
\quad y(0) = 1$$
separate
$$y^2 \,dy = \frac{\arcsin{x}}{(1-x^2)^{1/2}}\,dx,$$
Integrate
\begin{align*}
\int y^2 \,dy& = \int\frac{\arcsin{x}}{\sqrt{(1-x^2)}}\,dx,
\end{align*}
ok I assume a trig substitution to solvebook answer
$\displaystyle \int y^2 \, dy = \int \dfrac{\arcsin{x}}{\sqrt{(1-x^2)}} \, dx$

RHS ...

$u = \arcsin{x}$, $du = \dfrac{dx}{\sqrt{1-x^2}}$

$\displaystyle \int y^2 \, dy = \int u \, du$

$\dfrac{y^3}{3} = \dfrac{u^2}{2} + C$

$y(0) = 1 \implies u = 0 \implies C = \dfrac{1}{3}$ ...

$\dfrac{y^3}{3} = \dfrac{3u^2+2}{6}$

$y = \left[\dfrac{3(\arcsin{x})^2+2}{2}\right]^{1/3}$
 

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