231.12.3.65 Determine the smallest distance between a point and a line

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The discussion revolves around determining the smallest distance between a point \( P(1,1,1) \) and a line \( L \) that passes through the origin with a specified direction vector \( \langle -4,-5,8 \rangle \). Participants explore various mathematical approaches to express the line and calculate the distance, including parametric equations and the properties of a derived quadratic function.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the question and suggests that the line equation is derived from the origin with the given direction vector.
  • Another participant proposes the parametric form of the line as \( x=-4t, y=-5t, z=8t \).
  • It is noted that the distance \( d \) between point \( P(1,1,1) \) and any point on line \( L \) can be expressed as \( d = \sqrt{(-4t-1)^2 + (-5t-1)^2 + (8t-1)^2} \).
  • Participants discuss the resulting expression for the distance, which simplifies to a quadratic form, indicating it is a parabola.
  • One participant identifies the vertex of the parabola and questions whether it represents a minimum or maximum distance.
  • Another participant calculates the axis of symmetry and confirms that the parabola opens upwards, suggesting that the vertex indicates a minimum distance.
  • There is a calculation presented for the minimum distance based on the vertex of the parabola, but one participant expresses doubt about the correctness of the resulting value.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach to derive the distance and the properties of the resulting quadratic function, but there is uncertainty regarding the final calculations and the interpretation of the results.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the calculations of the minimum distance and the interpretation of the vertex of the parabola, as well as the implications of the derived quadratic function.

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$\tiny{231.12.3.65}$
$\textsf{Determine the smallest distance between point $P(1,1,1)$ and the line $L$ through the origin $L$ has the direction $\langle -4,-5,8 \rangle$}$

$\textit{ok I'm not real sure I understand this question so assume}\\$
$\textit{the line equation is derived first going thru origin (0,0,0) with direction $\langle -4,-5,8 \rangle$}\\$
$\textit{of which don't know how to do}\\$

$\textit{but then Use the equation }\\$

\begin{align*}\displaystyle
d&=\frac{|Am+Bn+C|}{\sqrt{A^2+B^2}}
\end{align*}

$\textit{ Where A,B, and C are coeficients of line equation and $m$, $n$ are coordinates of a point (m,n)}$:cool:
 
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so would the Parametric Form from
$x=x_0+ta\\y=y_0+tb\\z=z_0+tc \\$

be
$L= \, x=-4t, \, y=-5t, \, z=8t$
 
Any line can be written in the parametric equations of the form x= at+ b, y= ct+ d, z= et+ f. Taking t= 0 at (0, 0, 0) and t= 1 at (-4, -5, 8) we have 0= a(0)+ b, 0= c(0)+ d, z= e(0)+ f, so b= d= f= 0, and -4= a(1)+ b= a, -5= c(1)+ d= c, and 8= e(1)+ f= e. So the equation of the line is x= -4t, y= -5t, and z= 8t.
 
karush said:
$\tiny{231.12.3.65}$
$\textsf{Determine the smallest distance between point $P(1,1,1)$ and the line $L$ through the origin $L$ has the direction $\langle -4,-5,8 \rangle$}$

karush said:
so would the Parametric Form from
$x=x_0+ta\\y=y_0+tb\\z=z_0+tc \\$

be
$L= \, x=-4t, \, y=-5t, \, z=8t$

distance between point $P(1,1,1)$ and any point on line $L$ ...

$d = \sqrt{(-4t-1)^2 + (-5t-1)^2 + (8t-1)^2}$

Shouldn't be that difficult to determine the value of $t$ that minimizes the radicand, $(-4t-1)^2 + (-5t-1)^2 + (8t-1)^2$ ...
 
skeeter said:
distance between point $P(1,1,1)$ and any point on line $L$ ...

$d = \sqrt{(-4t-1)^2 + (-5t-1)^2 + (8t-1)^2}$

Shouldn't be that difficult to determine the value of $t$ that minimizes the radicand, $(-4t-1)^2 + (-5t-1)^2 + (8t-1)^2$ ...

$\textsf{that turns out to be a parabola}\\$
$\textsf{$(-4t-1)^2 + (-5t-1)^2 + (8t-1)^2 =105 t^2 + 2 t + 3$}\\$
 
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karush said:
$\textsf{that turns out to be a parabola}\\$
$\textsf{$(-4t-1)^2 + (-5t-1)^2 + (8t-1)^2 =105 t^2 + 2 t + 3$}\\$

$\textsf{so the vertex is at $(0,\frac{4}{105})$ }$something wacko here

For a parabola of the form:

$$f(x)=ax^2+bx+c$$

We know the axis of symmetry is at:

$$x=-\frac{b}{2a}$$

So, for:

$$f(t)=105t^2+2t+3$$

Where is the axis of symmetry?

Does this parabola open up or down...that is, is the vertex at a minimum or maximum?
 
the axis of symmetry is $x=-\frac{1}{105}$

the parabola opens up

$105\left(\frac{1}{105} \right)^2 +2 \left(\frac{1}{105} \right)+3$



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sorry on just a small tablet really hard to use
 
karush said:
the axis of symmetry is $x=-\frac{1}{105}$

the parabola opens up

$105\left(\frac{1}{105} \right)^2 +2 \left(\frac{1}{105} \right)+3$



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sorry on just a small tablet really hard to use

Small quibble...axis of symmetry is:

$$t=-\frac{1}{105}$$

So, since the parabola opens up, the vertex is a minimum, so the minimum distance will be the square root of the value of the parabola on the axis of symmetry. :)
 
$$\sqrt{105\left(-\frac{1}{105} \right)^2 -2 \left(\frac{1}{105} \right)+3}=\sqrt{\frac{314}{105}}$$really ?
 

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