-242.7x.13 Solve the DE \dfrac{dy}{dx}=7x^6e^{-y}

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The discussion focuses on solving the separable ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by \(\frac{dy}{dx}=7x^6e^{-y}\). Participants confirm the correct separation of variables and proceed to integrate both sides, leading to the solution \(y=7\ln(x)+C\). A key point raised is the importance of including the constant of integration, which must be accounted for before applying logarithmic functions. Notational clarity is also emphasized, particularly regarding the interpretation of logarithmic expressions.

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$\tiny{242.7x.13}$
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$\textsf{Solve the differential equation}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
\frac{dy}{dx}&=7x^6e^{-y}\\
dy&=7x^6e^{-y} \, dx \\
e^y dy&=7x^6 dx
\end{align*}
$\textit{just seeing if going the right direction on this...}$
 
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I've moved the thread to our "Differential Equations" forum. ;)

Yes, you have been given a separable ODE, and you have separated the variables correctly, now you are ready to integrate. :D
 
$\tiny{242.7x.13}$
$\textsf{Solve the differential equation}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
\frac{dy}{dx}&=7x^6e^{-y}\\
dy&=7x^6e^{-y} \, dx \\
e^y dy&=7x^6 dx
\end{align*}
$\textit{Integrate both sides}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
\int e^y dy &=\int 7x^6 dx\\
e^y&=x^7
\end{align*}
$\textit{Isolate y}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
ln (e)^y&=ln\left({x}\right)^7 \\
y&=7ln(x)
\end{align*}
$\textit{Is it this ??}$
 
karush said:
$\tiny{242.7x.13}$
$\textsf{Solve the differential equation}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
\frac{dy}{dx}&=7x^6e^{-y}\\
dy&=7x^6e^{-y} \, dx \\
e^y dy&=7x^6 dx
\end{align*}
$\textit{Integrate both sides}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
\int e^y dy &=\int 7x^6 dx\\
e^y&=x^7
\end{align*}
$\textit{Isolate y}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
ln (e)^y&=ln\left({x}\right)^7 \\
y&=7ln(x)
\end{align*}
$\textit{Is it this ??}$

You forgot the constant of integration...but otherwise, you did fine. :D
 
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
ln (e)^y&=ln\left({x}\right)^7 \\
y&=7ln(x)+C
\end{align*}
 
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karush said:
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
ln (e)^y&=ln\left({x}\right)^7 \\
y&=7ln(x)+C
\end{align*}
$\text{easy to forget our C friend...}:cool:$

You can't simply "tack it on" there...it has to be there before you take logs to solve for $y$...;)

$$e^y=x^7+C$$

$$y=\ln\left(x^7+C\right)$$
 
One comment on notation too:

karush said:
$\textit{Isolate y}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
ln (e)^y&=ln\left({x}\right)^7 \\
y&=7ln(x)
\end{align*}
$\textit{Is it this ??}$
The way you have written this can be confusing, since $$\ln (a^b) = b \ln(a)$$. But at least I read $$\ln (a)^b$$ as $$(\ln a)^b$$. And for this we know $$(\ln a)^b \ne b \ln (a)$$.
 
Theia said:
One comment on notation too:

The way you have written this can be confusing, since $$\ln (a^b) = b \ln(a)$$. But at least I read $$\ln (a)^b$$ as $$(\ln a)^b$$. And for this we know $$(\ln a)^b \ne b \ln (a)$$.

why would you read $$\ln (a)^b$$ as $$(\ln a)^b$$ this notation clearly is not the same thing?
 
karush said:
why would you read $$\ln (a)^b$$ as $$(\ln a)^b$$ this notation clearly is not the same thing?

Because it looks like the whole argument of the logarithm is in parenthesis, and the exponent is not there. And so the possibility for ambiguity arises...
 
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Theia said:
Because it looks like the whole argument of the logarithm is in parenthesis, and the exponent is not there. And so the possibility for ambiguity arises...

Yes, I agree completely and I would certainly prefer the notation:

$$\log_a\left(b^c\right)$$

This is clear where the exponent belongs. :D
 
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MarkFL said:
Yes, I agree completely and I would certainly prefer the notation:

$$\log_a\left(b^c\right)$$

This is clear where the exponent belongs. :D

it might be preferable but I see both all the time it not that confusing...

$\log(abc)^2$ or $log(a^2 b^2 c^2)$ but this $(log abc)^2$ is obviously different...

bone for the day award;)
 
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karush said:
it might be preferable but I see both all the time it not that confusing...

$\log(abc)^2$ or $log(a^2 b^2 c^2)$ but this $(log abc)^2$ is obviously different...

bone for the day award;)

Personally, for clarity, I would write:

$$\log\left((abc)^2\right)$$

For any function, I want anything and everything regarding the argument(s) inside brackets.
 

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