2D life form can exist with alimentary canal

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of a two-dimensional life form possessing an alimentary canal, referencing a claim by Stephen Hawking that such a life form could not exist without falling apart. Participants explore various design possibilities and structural considerations for maintaining the integrity of a 2D organism.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a 2D life form could be designed with movable chainings, proposing that this could prevent it from falling apart.
  • Another participant questions the structural integrity of the proposed design, suggesting that a loose-fitting jigsaw-puzzle shape for the canal might be a solution, but emphasizes the need for structural rigidity.
  • It is proposed that the chainings could serve as a backbone for the life form, indicating that the design issue could be addressed with strong materials.
  • Participants discuss the possibility of having multiple chainings along the canal and the need to consider how they interconnect.
  • One participant introduces the idea of different charges on the two sides of the creature and suggests that the canal could be filled with a viscous substance to aid in digestion.
  • A comparison is made to amoebas, with one participant suggesting that they demonstrate a solution by using a "sack" to ingest food, while another points out that amoebas are three-dimensional organisms, which complicates the analogy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the viability of a 2D life form with an alimentary canal. There are competing views regarding the structural requirements and design possibilities, with some participants proposing solutions while others raise challenges to those ideas.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of structural integrity in two dimensions and the implications of using three-dimensional analogies, which may not directly apply to the proposed 2D life form.

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Hi,
as I read in one of Hawking books, he predicted that a 2D life-form with an alimentary canal can not exist because it would fall apart. I was wondering about that, because I thought of an easy solution for this: with two movable chainings its still possible. I have made a graphic and attached it to this post. In general its a bit off-topic (sorry for that) but I wanted to get some feedback on it.
Martin
 

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Your life-form would hinge open at one chaining when the other is open.
What about shaping the canal like a loose-fitting jigsaw-puzzle piece?

To hold together it would still require some structural rigidity.
 
Yes, but that's only a design issue - you can build / design the chainings strong - maybe they build somehow the backbone of this life form - the graphic should just explain that there exist a way.
 
You could have lots of them along the canal too ... and you'd need to pay attention to how they hook together.

The two sides of the creature could have different charges ... the canal could be filled with a 2D version of a sticky jelly ... etc etc.
 
Amoeabas solved that. Just involve the food and push it inside in a sack.
 
Amoebas are 3D life forms, a "sack" is a 3D container ... OP is talking about 2D.
 

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