2nd order DE, is there a way to solve this without series?

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The discussion revolves around the second-order differential equation y'' + x*y = x^2, specifically exploring methods to solve it without using series solutions. Participants consider various approaches and express uncertainty about the applicability of different techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes difficulty in finding a nontrivial solution to the homogeneous equation y'' + x*y = 0 and questions if series solutions are necessary.
  • Another participant suggests the use of an integrating factor, prompting clarification about its applicability to second-order equations.
  • There is a mention that the homogeneous equation resembles the Airy equation, leading to speculation about the nature of its solutions.
  • One participant expresses a feeling of misunderstanding regarding potential tricks for finding a general solution, comparing it to the integral of e^x^2.
  • A suggestion is made that if one solution y1 is known, reduction of order could be employed to find another solution.
  • Another participant recalls that the Airy equation is related to Bessel functions, indicating a potential connection to the problem at hand.
  • Links to external resources are shared, including one participant referencing a MathWorld page on the Airy differential equation.
  • Discussion includes the mention of software tools like MAPLE and Mathematica, with one participant noting that Mathematica provides results related to the Airy function.
  • A later post clarifies that the homogeneous equation has a negative sign difference from the standard Airy equation, leading to a proposed solution involving Airy functions and a series expansion with Gamma functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the methods available for solving the differential equation, with no consensus reached on a definitive approach. Some suggest series solutions while others propose alternative methods, indicating a lack of agreement on the best path forward.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the complexity of the solutions, including references to Bessel functions and the potential for series expansions involving Gamma functions. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges in finding a straightforward solution without series methods.

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It looks simple enough:

y'' + x*y = x^2

However, I tried and I could not find a nontrivial solution to the homogeneous equation:

y'' + x*y = 0

Am I right in thinking you need to solve this with series?

No need to actually do it, I just need to know if it is possible otherwise (like variation of parameters or something else).
 
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can you use integrating factor?
 
For a 2nd order equation? I know how to do that for first order but not second order equations.
 
The homogeneous equation looks like the Airy equation...
 
Ah, so only power series is it then?

That's fine. It's just for some reason I thought I wasn't understanding some kind of trick to give a general solution.

It's almost like I saw an integral of
<br /> \int e^x^2 dx<br />

Which of course can only be done with power series, and thought I could integrate it and give a nice general solution.
 
You could say that you get a "nice" general solution by dubbing it as Ai(x)..:biggrin:
 
If y1 is known, you can use reduction of order to solve this.
 
if memory serves me correctly, the Airy equation is proportional to a Bessel function of 1/3 order...Look out there online.
 
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Has anyone tried this one in MAPLE? There might be a Bessel function integrating factor of the homogeneous equation (just interested, that's all, Max's link gives the answer).
 
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Mathematica gives:

Edit: Something too long or not properly formatted for PF to handle... But it was pretty much the Airy function.

cookiemonster
 
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The homogenous equation:
\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}+xy=0 is a negative sign off the Airy equation:
\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}-xy=0

Therefore the solution of the original DE
\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}+xy=x^2 is given by
y = CAiryAi(-x) + DAiryBi(-x)+x

where AiryAi and AiryBi, are independent solutions of the Airy equation.

Indeed the Airy functions are related to the Bessel functions.

Finally one can expland the answer as a series with the Gamma function appearing everywhere - nasty.
 
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