2nd order, linear, homogeneous proof

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the Wronskian in relation to second order, linear, homogeneous differential equations. Participants seek to understand why a non-zero Wronskian indicates that linear combinations of two functions encompass all solutions to such equations, exploring both intuitive and mathematical proofs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests intuition or proof regarding the implication of a non-zero Wronskian for the completeness of solutions to second order linear homogeneous differential equations.
  • Another participant notes that the equation has two constants of integration and suggests that the general solution can be expressed as a linear combination of two independent solutions, y = c1*y1 + c2*y2, with specific initial conditions.
  • A participant explains that the Wronskian can be derived from the differential equation and provides a method to analyze its behavior, indicating that if the Wronskian is non-zero, it suggests the independence of solutions.
  • One participant challenges the clarity of the original question, emphasizing the need to specify the problem context and explaining that the independence of solutions can be shown using the Wronskian determinant.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and clarity regarding the implications of the Wronskian. There is no consensus on the original question's framing, and multiple viewpoints on the relationship between the Wronskian and the completeness of solutions are presented.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of solutions and the conditions under which the Wronskian is evaluated. Some mathematical steps and definitions are not fully elaborated, leaving room for interpretation.

MathewsMD
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Hi,

I was wondering if someone could provide either a bit of intuition or a mathematical proof (or both) as to why if the Wronskian (W(f,g)) does not equal 0 for all t in an interval, then the linear combinations of the two functions f and g encompass ALL solutions. Is there any particular reason that this can be known to include all possible solutions for the second order, linear, homogeneous differential equation?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
 
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The equation has two constants of integration, and two possible solutions: y = c1*y1 + c2*y2, where y1(t0) = 1, y1'(t0) = 0, y2(t0) = 0, y2'(t0) = 1 for independent-variable value t = t0. It's easy to show that y1 and y2 have a nonzero Wronskian.

As to how the Wronskian behaves in general, consider that this differential equation has general form p2*y'' + p1*y'+ p0*y = 0, a form which both f and g satisfy.

Take the derivative of the Wronskian, W(f,g), and plug in the differential equation's values for f'' and g''. You will find a differential equation for W: W' = (something) * W. You can then solve it for W, though you will have an integral involving p2, p1, and p0. You will now be able to have an idea of what is necessary to make the Wronskian zero if it had been nonzero somewhere.
 
MathewsMD said:
Hi,

I was wondering if someone could provide either a bit of intuition or a mathematical proof (or both) as to why if the Wronskian (W(f,g)) does not equal 0 for all t in an interval, then the linear combinations of the two functions f and g encompass ALL solutions. Is there any particular reason that this can be known to include all possible solutions for the second order, linear, homogeneous differential equation?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
You are leaving out quite a lot here! For one thing "the linear combinations of the two functions f and g encompass ALL solutions" to what problem?! I presume you are referring to a second order linear differential equation. It can be shown that the set of all solutions to an "nth order" linear differential equation form an "n dimensional" vector space so if you can find n independent solutions, they form a basis for the vector space of all solutions. We use the Wronskian to show that the solutions are independent. For if f and g are solutions to a given second order differential equation then they are "independent" if and only if af(x)+ bg(x)= 0, for all x the a= b= 0. Of af(x)+ bg(x)= 0, for all x, then af'(x)+ bg'(x)= 0. That will have a unique solution, which would obviously be a= b= 0, if and only if the determinant of coefficients
\left|\begin{array}{cc}f(x) & g(x) \\ f'(x) & g'(x)\end{array}\right| \ne 0

That is, of course, the Wronskian.
 

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