2nd Order Nonlinear Differential Equation

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order nonlinear differential equation using perturbation or multiple scale methods. Participants explore approaches to find a third-order approximate solution, addressing both the mathematical formulation and potential challenges in the absence of boundary conditions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • John seeks assistance with the differential equation and mentions he is still studying the perturbation method.
  • Some participants suggest first solving the non-perturbated ODE before introducing the perturbation term with coefficient epsilon.
  • There is a correction regarding the term in the equation, with some participants noting it should be X^3 instead of X^2, which affects earlier comments but not the overall method.
  • One participant questions the use of "perturbated," suggesting "perturbed" is more appropriate.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for boundary conditions to avoid generating unbounded solutions, proposing initial conditions x(0)=x0 and \dot{x(0)}=\dot{x}0.
  • A suggestion is made to refer to the Poincaré–Lindstedt method and to consider expanding using two time scales, noting that oscillating solutions may not behave well with standard perturbative approaches.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of solving the differential equation but have differing views on the specific terms involved and the necessity of boundary conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach and the implications of the corrections noted.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the lack of boundary conditions provided in the original problem, which could lead to solutions that grow without bound. Additionally, the discussion includes varying interpretations of terminology and mathematical expressions.

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Hi everyone,

I need some help to solve this differential equation.

The question states "Use the perturbation or multiple scale method to find the third-order approximate solution for the following system:

diff(x(t), t, t)+w^2*x(t)*(1+epsilon*x(t)^2) = 0 "

Currently, I am still reading and studying on this perturbation method.

Any advise or directions of what I need to do is much appreciated.
Thank you for your help in advance.

John
 

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Hi !

First, solve the non-perturbated ODE.
Then, add a term with coefficient epsilon (see attachment) :
 

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JJacquelin said:
Hi !

First, solve the non-perturbated ODE.
Then, add a term with coefficient epsilon (see attachment) :

Hi JJacquelin

Thank you very much for your help,
I will try it and see if I could reach the result in that picture.
Thank you again for helping me out.
 
JJacquelin said:
Hi !

First, solve the non-perturbated ODE.
Then, add a term with coefficient epsilon (see attachment) :

Hi JJacquelin,

Line 7 on your attached picture, I had a little different than yours. I had X^3 instead of X^2.
I am still working on it. Please let me know.
Thank you,
 

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Hi Jhonmm !

You are right it isn't X^2 but X^3. This changes some terms of my comments, but this doesn't change the method to solve the problem. I suppose that you can continue by yourself.
 
JJacquelin said:
Hi Jhonmm !

You are right it isn't X^2 but X^3. This changes some terms of my comments, but this doesn't change the method to solve the problem. I suppose that you can continue by yourself.

Hi JJacquelin,
Thank you for the help.
I will follow this method to the rest.
 
"Perturbated"? Isn't the standard "perturbed" simpler and better?
 
HallsofIvy said:
"Perturbated"? Isn't the standard "perturbed" simpler and better?

I think it is perturbed.
 
You should probably give us some boundary conditions since otherwise you might generate solutions growing without bound.
 
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Strum said:
You should probably give us some boundary conditions since otherwise you might generate solutions growing without bound.

The question didn't give boundary conditions. But I think it should be x(0)=x0 and \dot{x(0)}=\dot{x}0.
 
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Maybe take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincaré–Lindstedt_method. Or you could expand using 2 time scales instead using for example
$$
\frac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}} = \partial_{\tau\tau}x_{0} + \epsilon\left( \partial_{\tau\tau}x_{1} + 2\partial_{\tau T}x_{0} \right)
$$
Differential equations with oscillating solutions doesn't always behave nice when using the usual perturbative approach.

Edit: The wiki link actually treats the same equation as you are looking at! Sometimes you're lucky I guess.
 
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Strum said:
Maybe take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincaré–Lindstedt_method. Or you could expand using 2 time scales instead using for example
$$
\frac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}} = \partial_{\tau\tau}x_{0} + \epsilon\left( \partial_{\tau\tau}x_{1} + 2\partial_{\tau T}x_{0} \right)
$$
Differential equations with oscillating solutions doesn't always behave nice when using the usual perturbative approach.

Edit: The wiki link actually treats the same equation as you are looking at! Sometimes you're lucky I guess.

Thank you for your reply. I will take a look into the wiki link. :smile:
 

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